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Re:Delta Variant by lamontcg on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @01:29PM (#27823671)
> it was rushed and the longer term implications are certainly still not fully understood.

It was not rushed.

We have 250 years of experience with vaccinations and when their side effects happen. And longer with viruses and their autoimmune effects.

After a day or three the vaccine is completely gone from your system, all that remains is the immune effects, the possible side effects are all autoimmune conditions. Those autoimmune conditions will either manifest in 90 days or they will not. There's nothing that hangs around in your body for 3 years and then randomly pops up. By running a trail for 6 months post-injection you will be guaranteed to capture all the side effects from a vaccine study. This is the same with virus triggered autoimmune effects which either pop up in 3 months or they don't (and I've actually had viral pericarditis that affected me about 4-6 weeks after I recovered from a bad cold).

Most of them will run longer, because they don't have a massive worldwide pandemic and they need to prove efficacy so they need enough people in the control group to get infected and that takes time. They were able to speed run the efficacy side of things because so many people were getting infected (we were worried at one point that the virus would largely disappear in Summer 2020 and negatively affect the vaccine trials).

https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-...

Re:Delta Variant by bookofsand on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @07:19PM (#27827416)
Traditional vaccines != Genetic vector vaccines

Traditional vaccines: Expose the immune system to an inactivated pathogen. The immune system stochastically learns to target a number of proteins specific to the pathogen.

Genetic vector vaccines: Expose a small number of cells to genetic material that instructs them to create a specific protein chosen by the vaccine developer. The immune system then learns to target this specific protein. The pathogen is under no obligation to continues to produce this specific protein, especially in face of the selection pressure produced by the genetic vector vaccines themselves. We are already talking of booster shots to tackle mutations, 6 month since we started large scale deployment. It's only going to get worse.

Open questions:

* Which protein(s) to chose.

* Why a single protein, rather than a mosaic.

* Is the protein(s) choice generic, or should it be personalized to a specific individual protein spectrum.

* What is the long term prognosis for world scale populations.

Cold fact: We have <1 years of world scale experience with genetic vector vaccines.

Re:Delta Variant by lamontcg on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @09:02PM (#27828271)
We have hundreds of years of experience with viral genetic vectors. There's a whole subfield of rheumatology dealing with autoimmune conditions triggered by viruses.

The mRNA vaccines are just a single protein not the whole virus and it never gets assembled so its using considerably less cellular machinery than a real virus would.

We've literally studied this shit for hundreds of years, and we're using less moving parts that would happen with a real infectious virus.

Cold fact: this is not unknown territory at all.

Re:Delta Variant by didjathinkmess on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @01:54PM (#27823973)
>Those autoimmune conditions will either manifest in 90 days or they will not.

Source? For the long term autoimmune effects of these vaccines, that is.

No? Well that's because that information is unavailable because it hasn't been studied long term hence it can't be known.

There are no long term studies. Hence the reluctance of many to get vaccinated. So that quoted statement can probably be banished to the world of pseudoscience for now. Or post your sources from subjects unrelated to the COVID vaccine that make you think that.

Re:Delta Variant by lamontcg on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @05:14PM (#27826406)
> Source?

The link I supplied was literally a source:

https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-...

> 2. Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all

> That is not to say that there have never been safety issues with vaccines. But in each instance, these have appeared soon after widespread use of the vaccine began. "The side effects that we see occur early on and that's it," Goepfert said. In virtually all cases, vaccine side effects are seen within the first two months after rollout.

That is citing the director of the University's Vaccine Research Clinic.

Re:Delta Variant by didjathinkmess on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @07:25PM (#27827459)
Sorry, I said "source" when I should have specified "medical study". Your link reads more like marketing towards vaccination fence sitters than actual science. That isn't your fault though, there just isn't science to share. Why? Because we don't have future traveling time machines.

There is something quite amazing about your link however. The piece (about long term side effects from vaccines) notes the polio vaccine from the 1950s. It somehow omits mentioning Simian Virus 40, the cancer causing virus that was found in the polio vaccine. This vaccine was given to 100 million children and its estimated that 10% to 30% of those doses were contaminated.

I'm sure the doctors assured their parents back then that there were no side effects and certainly laughed off any mention of long term side effects. The price to be paid for trust in these vaccines? Their children growing up to develop brain cancer in their 50s and 60s, decades after they were assured how safe they were.

Re:Delta Variant by lamontcg on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @09:17PM (#27828386)
No, its difficult to find studies on something which is literally textbook knowledge.

And nice whataboutism to switch the topic to a vaccine incident from the 1950s, combined with a brand new account, I'm pretty sure I'm arguing with a bot. Have a nice life.