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Re:The History of Karate by watwut on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @08:39AM (#27820169)
> The arrival of MMA proved the true effectiveness of each of the martial arts in an actual combat situation.

MMA is not an actual combat situation. A lot of what makes fighting style effective in real combat is simply not allowed in MMA (for good reasons). Things like:

- attacking your penis and trying to cause injury there,

- attacking your throat and trying to cause injury there,

- sticking fingers into eyes,

- trying to break knee by kicking where it breaks.

Obviously it is not taught in any of those sports. Because they are sports.

Re:The History of Karate by theflyinghorse on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:40AM (#27822304)
These arguments have all been beaten to death I'm afraid. General consensus is that a boxer who actually gets to punch and be punched by another human being will be far more effective at any of the eye gouges/throat attacks etc than someone who does not have sparring as a focus.

Or just try to imagine a situation where someone who doesn't constantly train sparring can kick a knee of a kickboxer who does spar a lot and gets kicked a lot.

Re:The History of Karate by giardini on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @02:01AM (#27830140)
>"General consensus is that a boxer who actually gets to punch and be punched by another human being will be far more effective at any of the eye gouges/throat attacks etc than someone who does not have sparring as a focus."<

Consensus? Has someone done an actual survey or a study?

If you train, you will probably fight as you train. The techniques that you learn and repeat are the patterns that your brain will follow under stress of combat.

BTW how does the typical MA fighter respond to someone who picks up a metal pipe (2x4, rock, knife, gun) and proceeds to attack the MA fighter? I would hope that (s)he would do the reasonable thing: get the hell out of the area!

Avoidance & evasion are the most useful "martial arts".

Re:The History of Karate by theflyinghorse on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @11:19AM (#27834055)
> Consensus? Has someone done an actual survey or a study?

Oh god no, there are no studies as far as I know. But what I refer to consensus is the general feeling one gets by browsing martial arts forums. There used to be a great forum on this very subject - bullshido. For years and years folks have discussed these exact questions of effectiveness of deadly martial art techniques.

> Avoidance & evasion are the most useful "martial arts". Goes without saying!

Re:The History of Karate by lljk_kennedy on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:20PM (#27824298)
Every one of your hypotheticals are going to be hard for your average Joe to hit on a trained fighter. They all involve you closing the distance enough to actually strike those vulnerable body parts - and a trained fighter will either be able to keep distance, or take advantage of you stepping into their range.
Re:The History of Karate by jerednel on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:51AM (#27822469)
Just a couple of thoughts on this.

- trying to break knee by kicking where it breaks.

Oblique kicks are allowed in MMA.

- attacking your throat and trying to cause injury there,

90's UFC had no rule about this. Currently, while no direct strikes allowed you can trachea crush if you want to force a submission (ezekiel).

Re:The History of Karate by wellthisisgreat on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:10PM (#27824931)
> you can trachea crush if you want to force a submission (ezekiel).

Damn had no idea Ezekiel is possible in no-gi, something to practice now. Thanks!