That was my point from the beginning, but you still cannot exclude risk completely. This is why manufacturers are explicitly exempt from responsibility of damages. Why would that be needed then? Why do people getting the vaccine need to wait a while before being released? Because of the unknowns that I meant.

And it doesn't even have to be intrinsic to the vaccine, it could be a manufacturing error like there was with Polio.

As I said, I am vaccinated, but this reaction and militancy really puts me off and frankly, I think it is a bit stupid. Not your comment though.

Of course you can't exclude the risk, but there is _no_ usable information in that fear. Just because something can happen down the line, doesn't mean it's actionable. What if these vaccines start giving us super human strength in a few years? Can we discount that possibility? Why or why not? Should I act on that possibility today?

All we can consider is _actionable_ information. All information so far points to the side-effects of the vaccines causing problems at negligible levels compared to the the side-effects of getting covid. That is information we can use and it really only supports one conclusion.

I believe this to be actionable enough that the decision to take it or not should remain an individual decision and I believe that is the extend what people demand. Nobody is talking about throwing it off the market because it isn't deemed safe.

I never said this shouldn't be anyone's individual choice. All I said was that I'm disgusted that so many people would make the choice.

If everyone else is vaccinated except you, you're protected from the effects of both covid and the vaccine.

How so? You can still get covid. Even the people vaccinated can get covid. Besides there is nowhere where everyone is vaccinated but you anyway. Some places have high rates some places have low rates. So your hypothetical situation just doesn't apply anywhere.

Anyway if you'd like an anecdote, I have a friend in Spain who just got the delta variant along with his 4 friends a few days ago. He was about to get his second shot yesterday (obviously it's postponed now) and his 4 friends were all completely vaccinated when they got sick.