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Re:Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully ... by TeMPOraL on Monday July 12, 2021 @04:52PM (#27814973)
People will very much use organizing features if you provide them. Whether it's groups for icons, folders for files, labels for e-mails, tags and colors for documents, or drawers for socks - most people seem to recognize that being organized is a virtue, and will attempt it to the extent it is possible and convenient.

Not giving features for self-organization is a choice.

Re:Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully ... by version_five on Monday July 12, 2021 @05:00PM (#27815064)
Do you have some basis for these assertions? Personally I agree with the GP but it's personal anecdata only. I would never consider using tags (or a sock drawer) and in my experience working with others with collaboration tools that use tags, there might be one person who is keen in them but they are never widely used. I think this backs up the GPs point that yes, some may find it useful, but it's not necessarily a "must have" that the majority are looking for, or even would use if it was splashed in their faces.
Re:Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully ... by ethbr0 on Monday July 12, 2021 @06:56PM (#27816053)
You don't backlink your socks to color family and iconography? Heathen!
Re:Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully ... by mountainb on Monday July 12, 2021 @05:08PM (#27815154)
Bookmarks are shit for a variety of reasons. Far better to archive pages with images or PDFs. Link rot is so pervasive that just maintaining bookmarks is a waste of time. Tagging, sorting, and annotating files on storage you control is far more reliable.

Google is just trying to help users realize that the web is a bad source for organized information. Google sells expensive clicks to personal injury lawyers off of titanic spam plantations of SEO content —- their mission is orthogonal to the organization of information.

Re:Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully ... by marcinzm on Monday July 12, 2021 @05:12PM (#27815201)
Except Bookmarks and Docs have folders already so the question isn't "no organization" vs "organization" but "tags" vs "folders." This book for example cites data that the majority of users prefer hierarchical organization: https://books.google.com/books?id=EO91DQAAQBAJ&pg=PA137&lpg=...

Adding tags has a chance of causing user confusion, UI congestion and impact on existing tools (in the case of Google Drive) so it's not a free thing to do.

Re:Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully ... by eitland on Monday July 12, 2021 @11:48PM (#27817464)
> This book for example cites data that the majority of users prefer hierarchical organization: https://books.google.com/books?id=EO91DQAAQBAJ&pg=PA137&lpg=...

Based on the snippet linked, not exactly thst.

For example one of the thing the book says is users of earlier Windows versions used hierarchical structures.

To which I point out: the only alternative wasn't tags but a flat non-hierarchical lack of structure.

Another thing: The Gmail team got it kind of right, they introduced hierarchical tags.

Sometimes one solution is obviously better and you just need to get the knowlegde out.

Other times there are good reasons to keep both: I personally very much want to have both folders and tags.

At no point should one however take the modern ux trick: hide the power tool, use the fact that no one use it anymore as proof that no one wants it and then remove it.