Teaching other teachers how to teach CS better

Re:Teaching other teachers how to teach CS better by hejdjdjdkkss on Monday July 12, 2021 @02:13AM (#27807583)

> I studied CS over 40 years ago. I think I'm still deficient, at the end of my career. CS is hard.

Name one system you worked on in your career that was “abstracted well” and built to the quality uncle bob thinks is good. I bet you can’t. Because they don’t exist. Not in the framework that this industry now measures “abstract well” in.

It’s a square peg in a round hole. Writing software is more like composing music than it is an engineering or maths discipline no matter how much people really want it to be. (Hardware is a different story)

Come at me bro :)

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Re:Teaching other teachers how to teach CS better by throwaway77770 on Monday July 12, 2021 @07:34AM (#27809232)

I don't think Bob's standards are preferable. Or, in the likeness of Yegge's Execution in the Kingdom of Nouns, I present:

void get_coffee() { /* ... */ }

void move_away_from_obstacles(auto what_to_move_away) { /* .... */ }

void place(auto object_to_place, auto to_be_placed_on) { move_away_from_obstacles(where_to_place); put_object_on(to_place, to_be_placed_on); }

void sit() { place(butt, seat); }

void prepare_mind() { get_coffee(); sit(); }

void get_opinion(int on_whom) { /* .... */ if (on_whom == UNCLE_BOB) { return create_opinion("too many short functions"); } }

void get_opinion_of_uncle_bob() { prepare_mind(); opinion my_opinion = get_opinion(UNCLE_BOB); return my_opinion; }

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Re:Teaching other teachers how to teach CS better by frant-hartm on Monday July 12, 2021 @09:09AM (#27809843)

Haha, this is really good, never seen it. But one piece of the uncle bob's advice says you should order your functions from higher level abstraction to lower level, then it reads like a book and you can stop at any time you get the understanding of the code. So your example reordered:

void get_opinion_of_uncle_bob() { prepare_mind(); opinion my_opinion = get_opinion(UNCLE_BOB); return my_opinion; }

void prepare_mind() { get_coffee(); sit(); }

void get_opinion(int on_whom) { /* .... / if (on_whom == UNCLE_BOB) { return create_opinion("too many short functions"); } }

void get_coffee() { / ... / }

void sit() { place(butt, seat); }

void place(auto object_to_place, auto to_be_placed_on) { move_away_from_obstacles(where_to_place); put_object_on(to_place, to_be_placed_on); }

void move_away_from_obstacles(auto what_to_move_away) { / .... */ }

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Re:Teaching other teachers how to teach CS better by Zababa on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @06:57AM (#27819560)

I've always found this advice confusing and contradicting. Higher level to lower level doesn't read like a book. To make it read like a book (or an essay), you have to "flatten the tree", do something like:

void get_opinion_of_uncle_bob() { prepare_mind(); opinion my_opinion = get_opinion(UNCLE_BOB); return my_opinion; }

void prepare_mind() { get_coffee(); sit(); }

void get_coffee() { / ... / }

void sit() { place(butt, seat); }

void place(auto object_to_place, auto to_be_placed_on) { move_away_from_obstacles(where_to_place); put_object_on(to_place, to_be_placed_on); }

void move_away_from_obstacles(auto what_to_move_away) { / .... / }

void get_opinion(int on_whom) { / .... / if (on_whom == UNCLE_BOB) { return create_opinion("too many short functions"); } }

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Re:Teaching other teachers how to teach CS better by ggm on Monday July 12, 2021 @02:45AM (#27807750)

No system I worked on in my career still exists and is abstracted well.

Music is a sub-arc of Maths. You know that, right?

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