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Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by jacobmischka on Saturday July 10, 2021 @03:10AM (#27791684)
> The people using steroids are equally as skilled as their opponents.

Sure, because they were also doping. Seriously though, I wouldn't say steroids make you _more skilled_, but they absolutely give a physical advantage over natural athletes. Which is why there aren't any top level natural athletes anymore except in very dedicated natural-only circles.

Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by void_mint on Saturday July 10, 2021 @03:15AM (#27791705)
I'm not sure what point you're making. My point is that steroids don't turn average people into elite athletes, which is much closer to what auto aim or wall hacking tools in FPS games do. Average people appear elite because their tools make them perform that way. This is not what steroids do.

You're agreeing with me, I think, but in the form of an argument.

Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by jacobmischka on Saturday July 10, 2021 @03:29AM (#27791784)
Sort of. A regular person on steroids could never compete with a skilled athlete who isn't, certainly. But in virtually all sports a skilled natural athlete also can't realistically compete with a skilled "enhanced" athlete.

It's not really cheating anymore, since everyone does it now, but the point I'm trying to make is that it's not nothing either.

Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by allendoerfer on Saturday July 10, 2021 @03:22AM (#27791743)
A better comparison to cheating wouuld be, if one of the runners would have taken a car instead of running.
Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by hnick on Saturday July 10, 2021 @09:25AM (#27793202)
Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by skinnymuch on Saturday July 10, 2021 @09:11AM (#27793136)
If my genetics aren’t as good as another athlete. I’m at a disadvantage. Why is this considered not just acceptable but even good? The genetically gifted person didn’t do anything to receive praise society gives out for said genetics.
Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by rapind on Saturday July 10, 2021 @10:01AM (#27793396)
That’s just life. There are many genetic advantages and disadvantages people have beyond just athletic ability, not to mention non genetic advantages like opportunities due to wealth, gender, race, birth place, influential peers, etc.

If you follow your logic and some how eliminate all outside advantage, then you may come to the conclusion that athletic competition is meaningless.

Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by skinnymuch on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @08:35AM (#27820142)
Why are you and downvotes/others possibly able to extend my logic into a wild conclusion. Yet, I assume you would find me taking your logic down a wild path as preposterous.

Following your logic of that’slife and genetics are part of natural life while steroids are so wrong, we should heavily focus on making sure advantages from consumption are curbed. No supplements, no high protein low calorie food. Limit medications and so on.

As genetics are a part of life, something I never disagreed with, and we all agree they are not equal in fairness, why are steroids of almost any kind frowned upon so strongly? But other life advantages or disadvantages are hand waved away?

Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by void_mint on Saturday July 10, 2021 @12:19PM (#27794444)
Because having good genetics isn't enough to actually achieve anything, and there are a myriad of reasons someone with excellent genetics won't achieve as much as someone with lesser genetics.
Re:Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse by skinnymuch on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @08:39AM (#27820165)
Outside sports that are only about strength (if there are any), steroid usage isn’t enough to actually achieve anything in athletics. There are many reasons why two people taking some assortment of steroids will have one achieve much more than the other. Even when the achiever uses less steroids.