Ask HN: Where is the Django community?

Re:Ask HN: Where is the Django community? by asnyder on Monday July 18, 2011 @06:05PM (#2778510)

PHP would be the best web framework

PHP is not a web framework like Django, it's a language like Python.There are however, many good Django like PHP frameworks.

Just wanted to clarify.

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Re:Ask HN: Where is the Django community? by andybak on Monday July 18, 2011 @06:08PM (#2778520)

Partly a slip of the keyboard. But PHP is language + web-oriented 'libraries' (actually built-ins) so the it's a blurry distinction.

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Re:Ask HN: Where is the Django community? by KnightWhoSaysNi on Tuesday July 19, 2011 @11:10AM (#2781231)

In the context discussed in this thread, "framework" means code that includes MVC, URL routing, and often an ORM. PHP in itself doesn't offer that; you need a framework such as CodeIgniter or Zend Framework on top. So no, PHP isn't a "framework" in itself (at least not in the way that Django is).

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Re:Ask HN: Where is the Django community? by Terretta on Tuesday July 19, 2011 @07:48AM (#2780432)

Having been writing web interactivity since before PHP, I'd disagree with you that PHP "is a language like Python".

Look at how it started, as personal home page template processing scripts in Perl, and you'll see it started with much more in common with a templating tool or web framework than with a formal language.

"PHP/FI was created by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1995, initially as a simple set of Perl scripts for tracking accesses to his online resume. He named this set of scripts 'Personal Home Page Tools'. As more functionality was required, Rasmus wrote a much larger C implementation, which was able to communicate with databases, and enabled users to develop simple dynamic Web applications..."

"PHP/FI, which stood for Personal Home Page / Forms Interpreter, included some of the basic functionality of PHP as we know it today. It had Perl-like variables, automatic interpretation of form variables and HTML embedded syntax."

http://www.php.net/manual/en/history.php.php

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Re:Ask HN: Where is the Django community? by KnightWhoSaysNi on Tuesday July 19, 2011 @11:15AM (#2781256)

First of all, how it started isn't as important as where it is now. And what we have now is a full-fledged programming language. Secondly, if you can build large-scale maintainable websites with PHP, who cares how the language got started originally. It's all about what you can do with the language - and in that regard PHP is a great tool (although certainly not the only tool available).

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Re:Ask HN: Where is the Django community? by Terretta on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:39PM (#2796050)

"I don't know how to stop it, there was never any intent to write a programming language [...] I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language, I just kept adding the next logical step on the way." -- Rasmussen Lerdorf, inventor of PHP

But to your point, he also said: "I've never thought of PHP as more than a simple tool to solve problems."

http://twitter.com/#!/rasmus/status/1938080214814720

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