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Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by Kalium on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:58PM (#27777512)
When you believe in an omniscient and omnipotent lawgiver, that line of argument is a little weak.
Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by BitwiseFool on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:02PM (#27777579)
If you assume omniscience and omnipotence as a starting point, then you can justify anything that exists using the same reason, otherwise it wouldn't exist, right? I don't mean to get into a theological or ontological argument, though. It just seems like you can use the foundation to justify anything you want.
Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by stickfigure on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:24PM (#27777790)
"If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?"
Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by SketchySeaBeast on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:35PM (#27777883)
"If God didn't intend for us to eat people, then why did he make them out of meat?"
Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by krapp on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:54PM (#27778089)
God doesn't explicitly forbid cannibalism anywhere in the Bible. We just have to find a way to define humans as ruminants with cloven hooves and it'll all be kosher.
Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by skissane on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:16PM (#27778775)
Whether humans are kosher is actually debated in traditional Jewish sources: https://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/101466

No Rabbi approves of eating humans; it is more a technical debate about whether it is explicitly prohibited by the rules, versus "not strictly prohibited but ewwww... so don't do it"

Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by smegger001 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:10PM (#27778734)
CRISPR to the rescue
Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by leephillips on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:35PM (#27777887)
Where did you get the idea that the Hebrew God is supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent? I am told that biblical Hebrew does not even have a word for omnipotent.
Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by skissane on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:14PM (#27778275)
Orthodox Jews accept Rambam (Maimonides)'s 13 principles of the faith. Rambam taught that all his 13 principles can be derived from the Torah.

The 10th principle explicitly says that God is omniscient. The 1st principle "Belief in the existence of the Creator, who is perfect in every manner of existence and is the Primary Cause of all that exists" doesn't explicitly mention omnipotence but rather obviously entails it. (If God is not omnipotent, then God is not "perfect in every manner of existence" since God would not be perfect in power.)

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/332555/jewish...

Whether or not the ancient Hebrews believed in divine omniscience and omnipotence is something that can be historically debated. But contemporary Orthodox Jews do.

(I'm not Jewish but I hope I've stated the Orthodox Jewish viewpoint accurately.)

Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by leephillips on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:26PM (#27778371)
Thanks for pointing this out. I encountered the claim recently that the concept of divine omnipotence was invented by Catholic theologians. maybe in the early middle ages, and does not quite exist in Judaism. But you’re pretty convincing.
Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by wolverine876 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:55PM (#27779019)
> When you believe in an omniscient and omnipotent lawgiver

Is that assumed in Judaism?

Re:List of Special Elevator Modes by krapp on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:21PM (#27777759)
I mean... If God's so omnipotent why did he need to rest on the seventh day to begin with?