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Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by crazygringo on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:49PM (#27775496)
Obviously you're not going to use it if your landlord doesn't allow subleases, and landlords are also usually pretty upfront about approval requirements for a sublease.

I've never heard of a landlord not allowing a subletter to convert to a full lease upon original lease expiration.

I mean, the alternative is to forego a month or two of rent while you find a new tenant. Unless there's a horrible problem with the existing subletter's credit, but then they probably wouldn't have gotten the sublease in the first place.

I'm not saying it's never happened, but it's going to be rare. I don't really see anything unsustainable or mispriced about this at all. There are already other companies doing it as well in NYC, e.g.:

https://doorkee.com/

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by CydeWeys on Thursday July 08, 2021 @08:35PM (#27779325)
> Obviously you're not going to use it if your landlord doesn't allow subleases,

In many jurisdictions, including New York, the law requires that landlords allow subleases. Tenants have a lot more rights than you might think.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by unishark on Friday July 09, 2021 @04:13AM (#27781502)
Subleasing is kind of a red herring. There are particular reasons landlords might want to avoid letting that happen willy-nilly. But if the company finds a tenant that conforms to the landlord's requirements, the landlord can agree to a transfer of the lease, or just agree to break the lease and start a new one with the new tenant.
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by crazygringo on Friday July 09, 2021 @12:18PM (#27785294)
What do you mean a red herring?

In NYC, it's usually required for a subletter to take over the remainder of a lease and then have the option of signing a new lease. The option to simply immediately break the old lease and start a new one usually doesn't exist. (Or if it does, it's only with a penalty for the lease-breaker.)

I don't know why this is, however -- if it's for administrative convenience, legal reasons, or financial reasons. But your idea that "the landlord can agree to the transfer of a lease", well it's true they can, but as a general rule they won't.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by e1g on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:57PM (#27775606)
The difference from Doorkee, or any matchmaking service, is that they do not guarantee to pay your rent for six months if a) they can't find someone within a month or b) your landlord doesn't like them. This bet is highly asymmetric - they can win 1 month fee (if you sublease tomorrow) but lose 6x that. I'm also in NYC, and wouldn't underwrite this gamble two years ago, and absolutely not today.
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by crazygringo on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:27PM (#27776593)
It doesn't seem that crazy to me. They say:

> We were able to prove that we could make the financials work so long as we were able to fill the apartment within around 45 days of taking it over.

They're prescreening apartments/leases so they're not going to take on an apartment they can't turn around in a month. And honestly, modeling NYC rental supply and demand according to a number of factors (neighborhood, price, condition, amenities, etc.) is pretty straightforward. It's a relatively liquid market.

And like I said, landlords generally have explicit rules about tenant qualifications. They're not going to reject tenants on a whim. Why would they ever say no to a qualified tenant? That's like McDonald's refusing to sell you a quarter pounder.

There's nothing about this that seems obviously unsustainable at all.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by danenania on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:56PM (#27776875)
"Why would they ever say no to a qualified tenant?"

I agree with the rest of your comment, but in my experience landlords in hot markets can be pretty capricious. If they know they'll have a steady stream of applicants, many will definitely reject qualified tenants based on personal whims or to hold out for someone they see as "more" qualified or more likely to stay long term. That said, as long as the apartment still gets turned around quickly then it's not really a threat to this business model.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by CydeWeys on Thursday July 08, 2021 @08:38PM (#27779344)
That's not rejecting (all) qualified tenants though so much as they are merely using some kind of algorithm to pick one of the many prospective qualified tenants. They can only choose one anyway, and FIFO is not necessarily the best strategy.

So a better way to phrase the question would be "Why would they ever say no to all qualified prospective tenants?"

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by unishark on Friday July 09, 2021 @04:24AM (#27781556)
In California my understanding is they are required to accept the first qualified tenant due to anti-discrimination laws. I thought NY was similar in that regard (and hence the income=3*rent or whatever the popular advertised rules are there).
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by crazygringo on Friday July 09, 2021 @12:21PM (#27785325)
That's been my experience as well, in practice (I don't if there's a legal reason).

Yes they'll sometimes pick the most qualified applicant, but only if you submit your application the same day or same weekend, which is often the case with open houses. It really depends on the landlord however -- for a lot, it's literally the first qualified person to apply, which is why you want to be the first person to the open house and have all your documents ready to apply on the spot, since it might be gone 30 minutes later.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by gbronner on Friday July 09, 2021 @08:18AM (#27782903)
As a small ll I absolutely do not want this in my building. I negotiate lease break fees into my leases; if a tenant is unhappy, I'd rather charge them an appropriate amount rather than have them hire a broker whose sole goal is to find a tenant that can pay the first month of rent