Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in serious trouble

Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by blinkingled on Monday July 18, 2011 @02:20PM (#2777440)

I personally don't think anyone should be worried. HTC/Samsung et.al are big companies with their own patent portfolios and deep pockets. At the worst they will pay the cartels and move along - business as usual.

If you were to apply the "oh $CORP got sued and lost a patent lawsuit - I might want to dump $CORP product" uniformly - you will be left with no products to buy in the mobile space at least!

Why is HTC being sued and not Android - Because HTC is an corporate entity that makes money off Android - Android isn't a corporate entity on its own - who would they sue if they wanted to sue Android?

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by ben1040 on Monday July 18, 2011 @02:37PM (#2777516)

Google develops Android and markets it, and I would assume that they could be sued for developing an infringing product. Google most certainly makes money, and a lot of it, from Android.

But Google makes no phones on its own, unlike HTC and Samsung, so Apple goes after those companies to keep the devices from being imported into the US. And Apple can fight Android in a legal proxy war rather than directly suing Google.

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by rryan on Monday July 18, 2011 @03:08PM (#2777678)

> Google most certainly makes money, and a lot of it, from Android.

Could you explain how you are most certain of this? I don't believe they make any money from Android. If you mean they make a lot of money on ads from customers accessing their services via a mobile device -- then fair enough but that's not "from Android" any more than they make tons of money "from the iPhone".

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by MatthewPhillips on Monday July 18, 2011 @03:31PM (#2777791)

They've released figures in the past that Android is profitable on its own; meaning irregardless to the effect on search profits. They make money on selling Google Apps, Maps service, etc to manufacturers and carriers.

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by shagrath on Monday July 18, 2011 @03:44PM (#2777876)

"They make money on selling Google Apps, Maps service, etc to manufacturers and carriers."

Would love a source on this... AFAIK Google never publicly said Android Trademark and Google Apps were not free (apart from the obligation to pass the CTS test suite)

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by nissimk on Monday July 18, 2011 @03:37PM (#2777835)

Apple is actually taking this up with HTC and Motorola. They're not suing Samsung, possibly because they do a lot of business with them, and possibly because Samsung has a much larger patent portfolio with which they can defend themselves. Initiating patent infringement is not without risks when you go up against someone with a large arsenal that they can fight back with.

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by fpgeek on Tuesday July 19, 2011 @01:05AM (#2779679)

Uh, Apple is suing Samsung: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383820,00.asp

They may not be suing Samsung over this particular patent, but that could easily change.

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by MatthewPhillips on Monday July 18, 2011 @02:38PM (#2777524)

> At the worst they will pay the cartels and move along - business as usual.

No, worst case is that Apple doesn't see a reason to grant a license and effectively blocks the sale of HTC Android devices until they remove whatever it is that they're "violating" here (and what that is I have no idea).

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by blinkingled on Monday July 18, 2011 @02:47PM (#2777558)

That's technically possible but unlikely in this case. Apple violates S3 patents for example - HTC own S3 and if they refuse to license those then they could stop Apple from selling iPhones too - which is good ground for both to consider cross licensing in this case.

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by dpcan on Monday July 18, 2011 @03:09PM (#2777684)

Are they already licensing S3 patents though? If so, would there not be a contract of some kind in place to stop HTC from just pulling the plug?

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by blinkingled on Monday July 18, 2011 @03:14PM (#2777712)

If they were licensing why would they be in court with S3 and why would the judge rule infringement - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-01/apple-gets-mixed-ru...

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by 7rurl on Monday July 18, 2011 @04:14PM (#2778016)

Is it possible that Apple's patent suit against HTC is a retaliation against S3's patent suit agents Apple? And if so, would it make it pretty silly to be freaking out about Apple trying to patent Android out of existence?

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Re:Apple deals massive patent blow to HTC, Android in seriou... by blinkingled on Monday July 18, 2011 @04:35PM (#2778110)

You will have to look at the dates - specifically date on which Apple filed lawsuit against HTC and also when S3 filed one against Apple - before or after they were bought by HTC.

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