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Re:Open letter: Ban surveillance-based advertising by Yizahi on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @09:25AM (#27760848)
I will employ a spy/cop to follow you everywhere and log everything you do in detail, would you consider it a surveillance? Of course, he will refrain from listening to you talking and won't enter your home. But everywhere else he will follow you at a distance.

This is essentially what is going on in the internet. Metadata collection = Surveillance.

Re:Open letter: Ban surveillance-based advertising by chopin on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @10:12AM (#27761330)
The analogy breaks at the point "won't enter your home". Current surveillance tech does exactly the analogous of that. It's rather like having a cop sitting at home pinky-promising not to listen or storing any conversation.

Maybe it's even worse. There are third-party analytics tools which send out any key-stroke you do, even if you don't submit any form.

It has become the new normal. Take todays article in Ars Technica on Audacity (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/no-open-source-audac...). The author has no complaint about the fact that a tool for local editing of audio files reaches out to the internet to send data about the user and seemingly defends this on grounds that it is opt-in. That's fine but that code is needlessly there. There's no reason whatsoever for it. And I am tired of being told that surveillance is for my benefit. No, it's not. It's solely for the benefit of the surveillor.

Re:Open letter: Ban surveillance-based advertising by djbebs on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @12:11PM (#27762727)
Oh no, hes going to be reading every email you send and receive, every message and everything you do. D9nt worry though, he wont do anything unless he finds anything illegal.
Re:Open letter: Ban surveillance-based advertising by markzzerella on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @11:59AM (#27762588)
If metadata is good enough to kill people it's dangerous enough to stop collecting en masse.