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Re:Twitter has lost liability protection in India, governmen... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @09:03AM (#27747958)
But Uighurs are being oppressed due to religion, it’s just the generic religious oppression that China applies to everyone. Heck, even if racism and dissidence wasn’t involved, there is still oppression that is or was rather common in the rest of China (eg re-education work camps weren’t invented in Xinjiang). There is plenty of room for both sides to play on technical truths, perhaps the same is happening in India (I have no idea).
Re:Twitter has lost liability protection in India, governmen... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @06:55PM (#27755398)
> But Uighurs are being oppressed due to religion, it’s just the generic religious oppression that China applies to everyone.

Reporting claims that (1) the Uyghurs are suffering under much more oppression than other Chinese groups, such as live-in minders and a legal ban on owning kitchen knives; and (2) this is because of their religion.

These two claims cannot both be true. Islam is one of the traditional religions of China, and it benefits from legal and social recognition not given to e.g. Christianity. You are free to make the argument that Western reporters are hallucinating or lying about what is happening to the Uyghurs. Or to make the argument that reports of the Uyghurs' oppression are accurate. But you can't make the argument that the reported oppression is due to religion, or that it's just another example of the same oppression that other groups experience.

If you asked the Chinese, they'd tell you that Uyghur oppression comes from the Chinese not wanting to have their schools bombed.

Re:Twitter has lost liability protection in India, governmen... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @09:41PM (#27756448)
That might be true right now, but only a decade or two ago, Hui and Christians were subject to similar oppression. The legal ban on selling kitchen knives isn’t unusual to anyone who has lived in Beijing during a national conference.

> You are free to make the argument that Western reporters are hallucinating or lying about what is happening to the Uyghurs.

Again, that is not the point in dispute. My position is even more anti Chinese than the norm, that what is happening to the Uighurs is bad but just not unusual for China. Your argument against mine then is that things are actually better for the other groups, but you really don’t provide any evidence of that, and I can guarantee you that it’s not (other minorities, Tibetans especially, Christians, especially those outside the official church, Hui over the last decades, re education camps for everyone, etc…).

Re:Twitter has lost liability protection in India, governmen... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @10:04PM (#27756587)
> That might be true right now, but only a decade or two ago, Hui and Christians were subject to similar oppression.

I read you as postulating these facts:

- 10-40ish years ago, Hui, Christians, Falun Gong, Uyghurs, Mongols, pro-reform Han, and various other groups were subject to various repressive measures.

- Today, Uyghurs, Falun Gong, and other ethnic Tibetan groups are still subject to similar measures.

- Hui and Christians are not, today, subject to similar measures.

These facts do not support the idea the the repression of Uyghurs and Tibetans is due to religion. They very much do support the idea that their repression is due to dissidence. Uyghurs and Hui avow the same religion, but the treatment of one of those groups diverged from the treatment of the other. Why? College professors may have avowed no religion at all, but were sent to reeducation camps en masse. (Granted, more than 40 years ago.) Why?