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Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by dukeofdoom on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:36AM (#27739020)
MS should be concerned, because eventually people will stop trusting their products and switch over to alternatives. The erosion of civil liberties under COVID rules is extremely concerning.

Canada is about to pass draconian laws for the purpose of monitoring and restrict Canadian's online free speech rights and jail people for 2 years, and pay 70k fine for things like saying the N word online.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by kimmeld on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:50AM (#27739142)
COVID has almost nothing to do with the erosion of civil liberties in the US. That ship sailed to much applause after 9/11 and neither party has done anything to remove the powers they have. Trying to rewrite this as some sort of COVID thing is silly.
Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by ehayes on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:58AM (#27739238)
The erosion of liberties in the US started before 2020 AND it got a LOT worse under COVID. Both is true. And there's nothing silly about what's happening in Canada right now.
Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by TeMPOraL on Monday July 05, 2021 @12:22PM (#27739506)
> The erosion of liberties in the US started before 2020 AND it got a LOT worse under COVID. Both is true.

Not really. The contentious part in your claim is the "a LOT". You need to prove that it got worse under COVID in degree even remotely comparable to how it got worse after 9/11.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by dukeofdoom on Monday July 05, 2021 @01:10PM (#27739913)
In Canada, the government suspended elections, locked up an opposition leader, and locked seniors in retirement homes with stupid high mortality rate. Restricted right to travel, to visit family, and now passed laws against free speech directly aimed at its critics.

Also 9 churches have been burned in the last month alone. In the US riots something like 60 people died, and countless businesses and livelihoods were destroyed.

I would say its a LOT.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by ploxiln on Monday July 05, 2021 @01:15PM (#27739950)
It seems to me that more "bush did it" 9/11 conspiracy videos were allowed to stay up, than COVID-19 vaccine critical or alternate treatment discussing videos.

And I think I understand why, it's because we worry less about the stuff that we think few other people believe, and more about things that we think lots of other people will believe and act on. Flat-earthers were firmly in the "who cares" category for a long time (and probably still are but I'm less sure these days).

But it's unfortunate that the COVID-19 related content is now setting the precedent for what kind of speech should be scrubbed from all popular platforms and hosts, with what kind of government guidance and public pressure.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by pokstad on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:58AM (#27739239)
As a result of COVID-19, Americans were forced to wear underwear on their faces, close down businesses until bankrupt, and were restricted from places of worship. Additionally, the end of COVID introduced a new class system of who is vaccinated and can have full roaming rights.
Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by Jcowell on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:48AM (#27739127)
I sincerely doubt this and can’t envision a world moving away from Microsoft and it’s back comparability with legacy software. Not to mention the Business world and academics world dependence on Microsoft’s Business Suite (and no Google Sheets only advantage over excel is collaboration. Excel beats it every other metric and no one is moving sensitive documents from Excel over to Sheets.)

Also take into account that the common person who works on Windows at work might also work at windows at home.

And then there is gaming.

Microsoft is not going away anytime soon. Especially with Apple’s move towards dropping 32-bit and the general consumers not adopting Linux anytime soon.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by fragileone on Monday July 05, 2021 @12:04PM (#27739311)
On the gaming front since Steam released Proton the future is now uncertain for Microsoft hegemony. Linux can now run AAA titles on launch, with the only significant barrier that's left being kernel-level anti-cheats.

But with WINE's rapid development, cloud gaming becoming more popular (just yesterday for instance Xbox Cloud Gaming became available for Linux browsers) and VFIO becoming easier I don't expect this to be an issue still in the next few years.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by Jcowell on Monday July 05, 2021 @02:05PM (#27740399)
I still doubting that regular consumers will go out of their way to buy Linux Ready Laptops/Gaming PCs (and no they’re not installing Linux on their computers) I think HN in general severely overestimates how willing to normal consumer is to use Linux over Windows and how much utility Windows has.
Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by fromanator on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:52AM (#27739168)
This specific issue has been there for years, long before covid. So not sure why you're jumping on covid being the cause here. The erosion of civil liberties specific to covid are mostly temporary emergency powers, which again aren't even at play here.

Also this Microsoft press release has a lot more information in it than the Rueters article https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2021/06/30/the-nee... "We have reviewed the number of secrecy orders that federal law enforcement agencies have presented to us from 2016 to the present, a period that spans the Obama, Trump, and Biden administrations. We found that while the number has increased some, federal law enforcement has consistently presented us with 2,400 to 3,500 secrecy orders each year, or 7-10 per day, representing one-quarter to one-third of all the legal demands we received. These are just the demands that Microsoft, just one cloud service provider, received. "

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by machinehermiter on Monday July 05, 2021 @12:07PM (#27739346)
I mean I can remember having this exact discussion about MS on Slashdot 20 years ago.

If anything MS and Bill Gates have a vastly better public image than 20 years ago. Bill Gates has gone from the public image of a lucky fool with blue screening on national TV more than once to some kind of public intellectual that the public wants to follow.

I have read about what Canada is about to do and it does seem completely insane.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by dragonwriter on Monday July 05, 2021 @12:26PM (#27739552)
> Bill Gates has gone from the public image of a lucky fool with blue screening on national TV more than once to some kind of public intellectual that the public wants to follow.

That painstakingly constructed PR success has somewhat eroded recently.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by ceilingcorner on Monday July 05, 2021 @12:24PM (#27739535)
> Bill Gates

It’s amazing what a PR budget can do over twenty years.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by pcbro141 on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:58AM (#27739240)
Wow, I can't dehumanize black people online?! What even is the point of my gigabit fiber, then? Doesn't the government realize this will destroy 4chan? /s
Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by disposekinetics on Monday July 05, 2021 @12:14PM (#27739426)
You're abetting the destruction of free speech through while you battle strawmen.
Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by jonwithoutanh on Monday July 05, 2021 @04:10PM (#27741425)
Canada has had laws against hate speech before c-36, this extends those laws to the internet.

Canada does not have a concept of "free speech", the fuck are you talking about. Canada has a concept of freedom of expression, which has certain limits, such as Hate speech.

I'm so sorry you will no longer be able to call for a genocide against a group you hold prejudices against, boo fucking hoo.

Re:Microsoft executive says U.S. overuses secret orders for ... by disposekinetics on Monday July 05, 2021 @05:47PM (#27742130)
Laws against hate speech are fundamentally censorious. You approve of censorship when it happens to people you dislike. You're just unprincipled.

If homosexuals have their rights ignored in some far off country you must just shrug your shoulders, they don't have rights in those countries.

Tilting at windmills under the delusion they are giants does not make you a fighter of giants.