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Re:Apple and Intel first to use TSMC 3nm by someperson on Saturday July 03, 2021 @10:18AM (#27721772)
David Patterson is not disputing that there's decades left of transistor shrinking, he's just saying that the statement of "transistor count doubling every 2 years" doesn't hold up empirically.

David Patterson is saying he considers Moore's Law is dead because the current state of say, "transistor count doubling every three years" doesn't match the Moore's Law exact statement.

In other words, he is simply being very pedantic about his definition. I can see where he's coming from with that argument.

Re:Apple and Intel first to use TSMC 3nm by zsmi on Saturday July 03, 2021 @01:37PM (#27723321)
It's more than that though as it's important to remember why Moore made his law in the first place.

The rough organizational structure of a VLSI team that makes CPUs is the following pipeline:

architecture team -> team that designs the circuits which implement the architecture -> team that manufactures the circuits

The law was a message to the architecture team that by the time your architecture gets to manufacture you should expect there to be ~2x the number of transistor you have today available, and that should influence your decisions when making trade-offs.

And that held for a long time. But, if you're in a CPU architecture team today, and you operate that way, you will likely be disappointed when it comes to manufacture. Therefore one should consider Moore's law dead when architecting CPUs.

Re:Apple and Intel first to use TSMC 3nm by mirker on Saturday July 03, 2021 @04:58PM (#27724869)
I don’t think it’s irrelevant to look at changing timescale. If the law broke down to be 3 years, there isn’t any reason it won’t be 4, 5, or some other N years in the future.
Re:Apple and Intel first to use TSMC 3nm by vlovich123 on Saturday July 03, 2021 @10:27AM (#27721826)
Every 2 years
Re:Apple and Intel first to use TSMC 3nm by Robotbeat on Saturday July 03, 2021 @12:20PM (#27722696)
Right. But it is no longer 2 years so it’s not Moore’s Law any more.