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Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by perl4ever on Saturday July 03, 2021 @01:14AM (#27719523)
His parents were convicted of felony murder. That is not a violent crime per se.

I think if you just say "murderer" it is dishonest by omission, but I doubt "felony murder" is widely understood either without an explanation.

I think most people are like "oh, felony murder, yeah, obviously those durn liberals have reduced murder to a misdemeanor in most cases, must have been really heinous to be a felony".

And every time I see someone bring it up regarding Boudin, I assess them as a particularly nasty propagandist who for some reason doesn't care about their personal credibility.

I'm not saying that his father should or shouldn't be released from prison, but the sentence clearly was a lot longer than many actual murderers get, like for instance the guy who killed George Floyd.

I don't think I need to read extensively about the events and trial for it to be obvious that at the time, it was about terrorism, and so they were being punished for being part of a group of terrorists. One may agree or disagree with it for political reasons, but it's not at all the same sort of thing as the ordinary murders in SF that people are blaming on Boudin now.

It's not universally agreed that felony murder should be a thing at all, although people of all types generally salivate at using it against their political enemies as for example after the Jan. 6th events.

Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by spoonjim on Saturday July 03, 2021 @02:22AM (#27719768)
lol. You want me to replace “murderer” with “terrorist” and think that will elicit more sympathy from the reader.
Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by perl4ever on Saturday July 03, 2021 @07:04PM (#27725725)
I don't know, it depends on the person. Some people have heard of COINTELPRO, and also have eyes and ears and see how political the definition of "terrorist" always is.

If you are a patriotic person, you likely have noticed and disagreed that for political reasons people who work on national defense are sometimes equated with terrorists.

The point of calling someone a terrorist is generally to imply a lot of associated things without specifically lying. If it were worse than accurate specifics, people wouldn't substitute it.

Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by spoonjim on Saturday July 03, 2021 @11:44PM (#27727079)
I have heard of COINTELPRO but don’t see how that has anything to excuse people who killed two police officers to rob $2 million from an armored truck. Kathy should have never seen the outside air and Chesa should never have been elected with his supportive comments about them.
Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by perl4ever on Sunday July 04, 2021 @01:42AM (#27727487)
>people who killed two police officers to rob $2 million from an armored truck

I don't see what that has to do with his parents. As I understand it they weren't even onlookers to the killings.

Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by spoonjim on Sunday July 04, 2021 @04:01AM (#27728021)
Well that’s just wrong, Kathy Boudin was driving the truck when they killed the police officer. These people were a complete menace and if you hire a DA who makes excuses for terrorists/murders you get the results you get.
Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by perl4ever on Sunday July 04, 2021 @02:51PM (#27731767)
>Well that’s just wrong, Kathy Boudin was driving the truck when they killed the police officer

She was waiting in a getaway vehicle at a different location from where the guards were killed by the people actually doing the robbery.

It seems like you are playing with ambiguous statements. If you disagree with any of my statements about the facts, could you please be specific and explain where your information comes from.

Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by spoonjim on Sunday July 04, 2021 @07:02PM (#27733311)
Then where, pray tell, was Edward O’Grady killed, and where was Kathy Boudin at that time?
Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by perl4ever on Sunday July 04, 2021 @07:44PM (#27733514)
You're more familiar with this than me, so I wish you would be less ambiguous and give more context.

The people who were killed to rob the armored truck were the guards, not the police officers. The officers stopped them trying to get away. If I'd read about that, I'd forgotten. So I resolved the apparent inconsistency by assuming you meant the guards.

Now in the page about the robbery, I see the section titled "Car swap and second gunfight": (although, "This section does not cite any sources")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brink%27s_robbery

So, after reading that, I would definitely not argue that 20 years in prison was too much. She may not have actually shot anyone, but I agree, was complicit. I don't think it was obviously too short a sentence, because of, like I said before, George Floyd's killer getting ~20 years.

But Gilbert isn't out. And I don't see (ctrl-F) what exactly he did. I can't judge Chesa Boudin if he has made some argument to defend his father unless I were to read it.

Since Gilbert didn't make a defense at trial, and Kathy Boudin plea-bargained, is it possible to say what specific actions they were imprisoned for?

There is a quote: "Our goal is to see that these people, who have contempt for society and have shown no remorse, will never see the streets of society again"

This seems to underline it was a political judgment, not about what was done, but about what they might do in the future. That doesn't make it arbitrary or incorrect, but it is about something other than the physical actions of those involved.

If you want to talk about why Kathy Boudin shouldn't have been released, that seems external to the topic of what Chesa Boudin has said or done that is unacceptable or reprehensible. It wasn't him that made that decision, was it? It seems like it should be moot now anyway. Surely the ongoing issue is his father?

Re:Target finally explains why nearly all its SF stores have... by spoonjim on Monday July 05, 2021 @04:44AM (#27735804)
https://apnews.com/article/prosecutor-son-father-release-198...

You started this sub thread with “His parents were convicted of felony murder. That is not a violent crime per se.”

I hope you now have the facts to see that Chesa Boudin is pleading for clemency for a terrorist murderer. That is not the kind of person who should be a DA! That is the job of a defense attorney, and Chesa would have been a great candidate for the SF Public Defender’s office. But when you hire a criminal apologist to be the city’s prosecutor you get predictably disastrous results.