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Re:The scientists hired by big oil who predicted the climate... by bumby on Friday July 02, 2021 @11:39AM (#27712902)
Based on my layman’s knowledge, it does seem that fossil fuel energy companies have been bad-faith actors. Or, at the very least, reacted predictably to poorly aligned incentives.

It reminds me of a Matt Damon quote from Syriana [1].

To a certain extent, that’s all of us. We are squandering one of the greatest resources to accelerate technology because it’s been so relatively easy to pull energy from the earth that we’ve been lulled into complacency.

I sometimes wonder if our level of technological advancement would even be possible without fossil fuels. If not, and we don’t actively invest in means away from it, I also wonder if that advancement is just a flash-in-the-pan on the geological time scale.

[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AwQKhvweL2A

Re:The scientists hired by big oil who predicted the climate... by wrs on Friday July 02, 2021 @04:22PM (#27716413)
I think of it like this: fossil fuels were like the first-stage rocket for accelerating technological civilization. It was loud and wasteful, contained most of our fuel, and we burned it in a hurry to get halfway to orbit. The question is, what’s the second stage to orbit? Or are we just on a ballistic trajectory?
Re:The scientists hired by big oil who predicted the climate... by kingsuper20 on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:03PM (#27713255)
>I sometimes wonder if our level of technological advancement would even be possible without fossil fuels.

I don't. I'd say that fossil fuels were absolutely required.

Admittedly there was a ramp-up due to water-powered manufacturing and steam engines run by throwing in chunks of wood.

Re:The scientists hired by big oil who predicted the climate... by bumby on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:11PM (#27713378)
It does seem like much of society is predicated on burning things. I feel like we have an opportunity to change that paradigm should since the nuclear age began, but burning things is just so easy it makes us complacent
Re:The scientists hired by big oil who predicted the climate... by kingsuper20 on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:19PM (#27713490)
It seems to me that any system predicated on population levels over the pre-industrial standard are a sketchy proposition.

Even at the pre-industrial level, the environmental load has been high. Mediterranean goat deserts, death of large Pleistocene animals in the Americas, whale hunting. You could still have nuclear power, microelectronics, solar energy in a world with a whole lot less human meat roaming around on it.

Re:The scientists hired by big oil who predicted the climate... by pjc50 on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:51PM (#27713924)
In the pre-contraception era, the human population was almost by definition at the environmental limit; limited by starvation, disease, wars, and so on. Just as all wild creatures are.

Anti-contraceptionists are almost worse than climate change deniers.

Re:The scientists hired by big oil who predicted the climate... by kingsuper20 on Friday July 02, 2021 @02:57PM (#27715374)
Maybe we don't need contraception, we just need predators.