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Re:First Look: macOS Monterey Public Beta by solarkraft on Friday July 02, 2021 @09:02AM (#27710950)
Relatively new macOS user here.

> scroll bars have been removed

Awesome! Less clutter. I only care about my position in a list or its length when I actually scroll.

> Ok/Cancel style dialog boxes are vertically stacked

Looks sightly weird, but it enlarges click targets and makes a crucial dialog easier to see and use. I guess that makes sense.

> more vertical space wasted for window chrome

I generally like the new style, but yeah, they went over board here 1/3 or 1/4 less height would be about optimal.

> Natural Scrolling

Why would you move your finger against the direction in which you're scrolling?

I do have it disabled on my mouse, so I can more easily flick it to navigate down pages.

Re:First Look: macOS Monterey Public Beta by JKCalhoun on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:07PM (#27713310)
> Awesome! Less clutter. I only care about my position in a list or its length when I actually scroll.

Sort of. When the the scroll bar (thumb) is the thing that you want to grab in order to scroll though — where is it?

Re:First Look: macOS Monterey Public Beta by flohofwoe on Friday July 02, 2021 @12:52PM (#27713937)
> Why would you move your finger against the direction in which you're scrolling?

Because I'm scrolling *down* to reveal new content towards the bottom of the screen. Why should I move my finger "up" if I want to scroll "down" ;)

For touch screens it makes sense, no doubt, but for touchpad and mouse it's debatable. It's clearly a personal preference though, I just hope they never remove the settings option.

Re:First Look: macOS Monterey Public Beta by salamandersauce on Friday July 02, 2021 @03:11PM (#27715544)
> Awesome! Less clutter. I only care about my position in a list or its length when I actually scroll.

Except when you don't realize there is more content to be scrolled in any direction including left and right because there is zero indication.

> Why would you move your finger against the direction in which you're scrolling?

It makes absolutely no sense with a scroll wheel and yet, by default it's on for them.