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Re:Secret Recordings Reveal How Exxon Lobbyists Manipulate P... by kcatskcolbdi on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:22AM (#27699321)
The problem with this line of thought (and generally libertarian ideology) is the requirement of a threat of violence to conduct commerce. The violence can't come from the parties involved because if there's an imbalance it ruins the neutrality of trade. But the threat of a violent outcome (jail, or fine with physical enforcement) must be present to prevent theft.

Once you accept that you have to give a 3rd party the monopoly on violence you are now effectively giving them the authority to do as they please. You can wax on about how government should have less power on internet forums, but organizations with power and weapons don't give up that power without using the weapons.

Re:Secret Recordings Reveal How Exxon Lobbyists Manipulate P... by nexus_dave on Thursday July 01, 2021 @12:01PM (#27700554)
I am not proposing anarchy. You are confusing socialism with libertarianism. Socialism is violence. If you don't trust me you can test it out by refusing to pay your tax.
Re:Secret Recordings Reveal How Exxon Lobbyists Manipulate P... by jokethrowaway on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:25AM (#27699346)
Without a government and with a system of competing law enforcements backed by armies who setup different laws, and a system of competing private court systems, we may get fairer treatment.

Perfect justice is impossible to achieve (someone will always be able to bribe someone else), but by spreading out the corruptible people and by putting them in competition on a market (where reputation matters), you will get a fairer system than the disgusting monopoly we have right now.

Re:Secret Recordings Reveal How Exxon Lobbyists Manipulate P... by kcatskcolbdi on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:33AM (#27699411)
Why would we get fairer treatment instead of treatment that exclusively favors the people with the most money and weapons?
Re:Secret Recordings Reveal How Exxon Lobbyists Manipulate P... by Goronmon on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:42AM (#27699493)
I thought a system that favors the people with the most money and weapons was the whole point of the libertarian idealogy?
Re:Secret Recordings Reveal How Exxon Lobbyists Manipulate P... by tastyfreeze on Thursday July 01, 2021 @11:00AM (#27699690)
Lots of groups with their own armies is just asking for constant fighting. There is a reason that each state doesnt have its own standing army. The founders saw how such a system worked in Europe with countries using war frequently to take what they wanted.