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Re:What's It Like To Be Fired? by michaelochurch on Friday July 15, 2011 @09:56PM (#2769880)
He should have negotiated a positive-to-neutral fact-based reference (good reviews, verification of salary, departure by his volition-- a revision-of-fact but one that companies will usually support) in the severance process. Chances are, he would have gotten it. This would have mitigated the career damage and gotten him a good job much sooner.

Remember that a severance offer is a starting point. If the only thing you want to add in negotiation is something that doesn't cost the company money-- good reference and a revision of the record to say you left voluntarily-- they'll usually give it, unless you did something illegal and they're afraid to give you a good referral for liability reasons.

Getting fired is something that happens to a lot of good people... for all kinds of bizarre and stupid reasons. I wouldn't mention it, as a general policy, but I really doubt that he couldn't find a job because he was fired. He probably became insecure and that did him in. He probably was also too loose-lipped about his feelings toward the previous employer, which is even more damaging because even if a past employer is terrible, one shouldn't let it on in an interview.

"Persona non grata" in the tech community after a job goes bad... that's just bizarre. In my experience, people familiar with startups are the most forgiving of jobs that went bad or ended suddenly, for the obvious reason that a lot of startups fail.

Re:What's It Like To Be Fired? by Sukotto on Friday July 15, 2011 @10:14PM (#2769898)
Could you go into more detail about how to ask for these sorts of things and what extras you might throw in so you have something you can cut when negotiating?

This strikes me as the sort of thing I should have prepared in advance, just in case. Should I ever be fired for cause I expect I'll be too upset to think about what to ask for and how to say it so I better work out the basics now.

Re:What's It Like To Be Fired? by apenwarr on Friday July 15, 2011 @10:48PM (#2769967)
It's as simple as this: never sign the document they hand you on the spot. Give it a day or two, say you might need to talk to a lawyer. They're firing you. They really want you to sign this document. They won't actually really take away your severance if you fail to sign in the first ten seconds, because if they wanted to do that, they wouldn't have offered it in the first place.

Believe it or not, you have the power in that situation. That's why they want you to sign it right away - right now you're emotionally distressed and thus gullible.

So that's how you prepare yourself: remember that if this ever happens, DON'T SIGN ANYTHING until you calm down. It's okay if that takes several days.

(This is from experience at past employers, I don't speak for my current employer, I haven't actually been fired but I've been on the other side, I am not a lawyer, This does not constitute legal advice, blah blah.)

Re:What's It Like To Be Fired? by yuhong on Saturday July 16, 2011 @01:39AM (#2770187)
>He probably was also too loose-lipped about his feelings toward the previous employer, which is even more damaging because even if a past employer is terrible, one shouldn't let it on in an interview.

Another thing that IMO ultimately in the long term should be fixed. Not being hired because you criticized a previous employer is worse than being fired for criticizing the current one IMO.