Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests
by wolverine876 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @11:58AM
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You've seen some horrible things; I'm sorry; I've read about things like that and made a point of not turning my head, of being a (very limited) witness, but I can't imagine.
The very good news is that those aren't realistic risks in the U.S.. Beyond mass lynchings in the South (e.g., Tulsa) - a major exception - they haven't happened in US history, and even then I haven't heard of horrors that extreme. And note that those mass lynchings (and individual lynchings) were conducted by the people in power, not protestors against it.
We can't gun people down because we are afraid. Someone breaking a bottle or a window shouldn't be killed - that would be murder. The people in power often are the worst threat to order.
Consider the disorder people suffer when they are oppressed and abused, often physically, by the state, for example when police beat, shoot, and arrest them for things they didn't do, and they are imprisoned for much of their life. Do those people deserve justice and order like you and I do? Should they be able to walk down a street and conduct their lives in peace? If you get assaulted by a police officer or a mugger, what's the difference? (In fact the former is worse - you can't fight back, and the consequences are imprisonment.)
> A lot of immigrants for example, don't generally give a shit ...
Can you back this up, both that immigrants have opinions that differ from the public and that they match what you say?
Immigrants are also targets of police brutality, and have a whole division of government, ICE, that under Trump seemed to embrace cruelty toward them.
The very good news is that those aren't realistic risks in the U.S.. Beyond mass lynchings in the South (e.g., Tulsa) - a major exception - they haven't happened in US history, and even then I haven't heard of horrors that extreme. And note that those mass lynchings (and individual lynchings) were conducted by the people in power, not protestors against it.
We can't gun people down because we are afraid. Someone breaking a bottle or a window shouldn't be killed - that would be murder. The people in power often are the worst threat to order.
Consider the disorder people suffer when they are oppressed and abused, often physically, by the state, for example when police beat, shoot, and arrest them for things they didn't do, and they are imprisoned for much of their life. Do those people deserve justice and order like you and I do? Should they be able to walk down a street and conduct their lives in peace? If you get assaulted by a police officer or a mugger, what's the difference? (In fact the former is worse - you can't fight back, and the consequences are imprisonment.)
> A lot of immigrants for example, don't generally give a shit ...
Can you back this up, both that immigrants have opinions that differ from the public and that they match what you say?
Immigrants are also targets of police brutality, and have a whole division of government, ICE, that under Trump seemed to embrace cruelty toward them.