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Re:Miami building collapse: Letter in April warned of worsen... by michaelt on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:14AM (#27687532)
> It was going to cost a lot of money, and people tend to fight large assessments.

If a condo block will need work costing $100,000 per unit after 40 years, what's the proper way of financing that?

Does the HOA start saving up for it from year 1 by charging a hefty management fee? Do they rely on every homeowner being able to come up with $100,000 on demand? Do they just assume they won't be around in 40 years so it's someone else's problem?

I've never really heard a satisfactory answer to that, which is one of the reasons I don't own a condo.

Re:Miami building collapse: Letter in April warned of worsen... by cesarb on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:39AM (#27687719)
Not in the USA, but I've lived in apartment buildings my whole life, and I own the apartment I currently live in. While I haven't seen such an extreme number, I have seen the way expensive repairs are dealt with. It's always decided in a condominium assembly, so every apartment owner has its say and it's put to a vote. For least expensive repairs, it's either an extra fee on the monthly condominium payment, or it comes from the condominium "emergency funds" account (which is then gradually recharged through the monthly condominium payments). For more expensive repairs, the extra fee is spread over several months. For really expensive repairs like your example, I'd expect the value to be financed (borrowing from a bank or similar), and gradually paid back through an extra fee on the monthly condominium payments.
Re:Miami building collapse: Letter in April warned of worsen... by matwood on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:54AM (#27687875)
Great question. Not a condo, but my neighborhood has 3 docks that go over salt water. They were built properly to code, but even with proper maintenance, after a certain period of time they will need to mostly be replaced. In order to prepare for this eventuality, the HOA raised fees by ~10% and has already started saving for a decade+ out.

It doesn’t have to be a heft fee if planned for. Docks are a known quantity where I live so planning is normal. 40 years ago did the HOA know they need to save for maintenance and repairs? What about 20 years? There is another building nearby that is exactly the same as the building that collapsed, but their HOA kept up with proper maintenance. That other building seems like it’s in great shape for a 40 year old building.

It will be interesting to see what happened here. Was the HOA so negligent over such a long period of time that it was just too hard to catch up (100k assessment is hard for most people)?

Re:Miami building collapse: Letter in April warned of worsen... by Xylakant on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:29AM (#27688269)
Not in the US. In germany, every HOA has something called "Instandhaltungsrücklage", basically a fund earmarked for repairs and maintenance that gets filled by monthly payments separate from the the rest of the fees. The exact payment depends on the age of the building and gets adjusted over time. I pay 1EUR/month/sqm into such a fund. Over 40 years, that would cover at least half of the sum you mentioned. In this case, costs nearly doubled because required maintenance work was pushed off, so that would have worked out just fine.
Re:Miami building collapse: Letter in April warned of worsen... by mmastrac on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:24AM (#27688921)
We call that a reserve fund here in Canada and there are mandatory reserve fund reviews to ensure they are properly funded.
Re:Miami building collapse: Letter in April warned of worsen... by sjg007 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:51AM (#27687848)
You sort of need a condo savings account that can be invested where the premiums you pay get invested. You need some laws or state regulations to make sure some minimums are maintained. The gains would then offset a potentially lower selling price since the HOA would have enough money to cover repairs.

But at the same time for a single family home, it is not unusual to invest 100k in a remodel if the location supports it on a 40 year old house. A condo should operate similarly although the scope of changes you can make is different obviously.

Re:Miami building collapse: Letter in April warned of worsen... by weeblewobble on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @12:48PM (#27690717)
A friend of mine had this happen at his condo building, I think the assessment was $150k. The HOA offered financing via an "association loan"