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Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by nine_k on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @01:34AM (#27685252)
The most interesting idea I heard about the hand-over of HK is that UK should have offered a UK permanent resident (or even a citizen) status to all HK residents, once China started the pressure.

Of course, HK's population is 11% of UK, not a small deal, likely such a bill won't pass anyway. But I also see it as a missed opportunity to bring in some world-class human capital.

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by calcifer on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @01:57AM (#27685378)
BNO citizens (i.e most HK people born before the handover) can get a UK visa [1] with a direct route to citizenship.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/british-national-overseas-bno-visa

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by Lio on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:15AM (#27688813)
They can now. At the time this was not offered because the CCP was so against it.

In order to get the 1 country 2 systems deal the UK had to shelve the idea at the time. It was a massive gamble but it was probably worth trying for a peaceful hand over.

Since the CCP have broken their side of the agreement there's no longer a reason not to offer BNO citizens a route to UK citizenship now.

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by garmaine on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @01:58AM (#27685384)
They have. At least for the HK residents which predate the '97 handover and therefore have British Overseas National status. This is about 1/3 of the HK population which is now allowed to settle and work in the UK on a track towards permanent residency. If they can get the permission to leave, that is.
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by londons_explore on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:38AM (#27685983)
It is notable that very few seem to have taken this path.

Yet many seem to be protesting, despite it really looking like they have hardly any chance of their protests getting anything they want.

There must be more to the story that I'm not seeing...

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by Gosper on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @05:35AM (#27686627)
About as many as can are decamping for less oppressive climes: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/27/uk-receives-34...

The professional class in Hong Kong is steadily dwindling with families going where they can or methodically planning to. Canada is most desired, then the UK, and Australia.

It takes time to find employment, a place to live, and schooling for your kids.

But the biggest factor is Covid. Politics aside, Hong Kong has been a great place to ride out the pandemic while the UK handled it abysmally. After the Delta variant and Covid as a whole subsides expect emigration to pick up.

Curiously the job market in Hong Kong is booming and I've seen an uptick in western expats arriving, so there's an appeal if you stay apolitical. Which is easy enough when it's not your home getting wiped out.

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by strogonoff on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @06:16AM (#27686824)
It doesn’t seem to me that there’s no reason for standing up for own freedom if the alternative is moving halfway across the world and abandoning beloved home for a country where, frankly, climate is worse, the chance of getting mugged is real, and where one would belong to a minority.

Hong Kong culture is in no small part traditional Chinese culture, which existed in that area for many years. The other part is the British cultural influence. Unfortunately, HK’s “parent entity” prior to British rule technically no longer exists; there is now a new communist country to the north. Becoming absorbed by it entails giving up valuable parts of HK’s unique culture (which includes freedom of speech); assimilating in the UK would mean giving up other parts of it. It is only natural to want neither of these outcomes.

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by spacehunt on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @04:42AM (#27686357)
I wouldn't say it's "very few", all flights from HKG to LHR are fully booked despite the ongoing pandemic.
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by garmaine on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @05:28AM (#27686593)
“ If they can get the permission to leave, that is.”

Also there’s the no-small-matter of how they get to the UK in the middle of a pandemic with restricted flights and transit visas.

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by strogonoff on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:11AM (#27685807)
I like the idea floated by an acquaintance of mine, which sounds more or less like “the British could just give us some island they don’t need, and we’d build another city there”.
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by Bayart on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:54AM (#27686078)
HK is wealthy because of where it is. Good luck trying to replicate that in the Falklands or on some rock in the Caribbeans.
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by iheartlife on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @04:20AM (#27686226)
Historically that might have been the case, today HK is rich because of its (financial) regulations that was mainly inherited from the british. HK is still one of the incorporation centers of the the world (akin to Delaware in US) as well as a major financial hub.
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by robjan on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @07:09AM (#27687150)
This is because it's the main route for money going in and out of China. Pretty much all of the commercial activity in Hong Kong is either trading/investing activities with China or facilitating trade/investment in China
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by strogonoff on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:26PM (#27707285)
Clearly, once HK loses the remnants of its autonomy and becomes literally a part of China rather than some external middle ground, it would no longer reap these benefits of its geography.
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by inglor_cz on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @05:58AM (#27686738)
Geographical influences do exist, but the exceptions are quite significant.

Britain was once considered a backward periphery of Europe. Japan is so geographically peripheral that it could successfully close itself off the rest of the world for 250 years.

On the other hand, there is no Yemeni/Somali equivalent of Singapore even though a lot of the world traffic must pass around them. Gibraltar is rich, but Spanish Andalusia all around it has pretty stagnant economy oriented on tourism. Panama kinda works, but nowhere near as well as, say, California or Florida.

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by Bayart on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @06:09AM (#27686796)
There are obviously legal and cultural variables allowing for the geography to be leveraged, as @iheartlife fairly pointed out.

But you still need something to leverage. Distance from population centers matters, trading routes matter, topography matters immensely as well.

Britain rose in conjunction with Trans-Atlantic trade. And so did Japan with Trans-Pacific trade and the development of the American West coast.

HK is an I/O hub for one of the largest economies in the world, it doesn't get much better.

An hypothetical Neo-HK somewhere would have to forcefully re-route the world's economy to have a chance at getting the same standing.

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by strogonoff on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @06:52AM (#27687056)
Previously significant, geographical constraints matter less in today’s globally connected world. Arguably, becoming more important in relative terms are mindset, creative and strategic thinking, willingness to work both smart and hard—and those would be in abundance.

Admittedly, Hong Kong benefitted a lot from being the convenient middle ground where major deals between entities in mainland China and other countries could happen. However, it can also be argued that meeting in person to shake hands might not remain a given going forward.

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by sumedh on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:31AM (#27685939)
> the British could just give us some island they don’t need

What about the people who are already living on that island, what if they dont want foreigners?

Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by smcl on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @07:05AM (#27687125)
It wouldn't be the first time a local population were forcibly evicted from a British colonial possession and a bunch of foreign nationals moved in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by strogonoff on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:24PM (#27707265)
There exist uninhabited islands, but climate is harsh.
Re:HK media erase their archives amid rising arrests by strogonoff on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @04:12AM (#27686189)
This isn’t exactly a realistic proposal for many other reasons as well, but it’s interesting to contemplate.