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Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by chiefalchemist on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:55PM (#27665164)
The situation is that Type 2 Diabetes has raised the demand for insulin. More demand raises prices.

The thing we can't talk about without risking cancellation is that nearly all Type 2 Diabetes is preventable. In other words, the choices of the many have a significant negative impact on those (i.e., Type 1'ers) who don't really have a choice.

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by Teknoman117 on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:32PM (#27665748)
the EU has twice as many diabetics as the United States yet they have no "shortage" or "demand" related problems.

Our situation has nothing to do with demand and everything to do with corporate greed. Many western European countries empower their governments to set upper bounds on the costs of medication to reduce the ability of pharma-bros to make disgusting amounts of personal wealth off the suffering of others.

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by dekhn on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:28PM (#27665670)
the increased demand for insulin is not why the price is higher.

Insulin is made in massive facilities in large batch runs. Making 5X to 10X is basically cost of materials, which haven't really increased enough to justify the price increase.

This is (mostly likely) a rent-seeking situation where a few providers who are allowed in the market are milking it for all the profit they can.

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by chiefalchemist on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:01PM (#27668067)
> This is (mostly likely) a rent-seeking situation where a few providers who are allowed in the market are milking it for all the profit they can.

That is also known as demand. They do because they can.

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by skohan on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @02:37AM (#27672586)
Many of your comments reflect a misunderstanding of basic economics
Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by chiefalchemist on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @07:21AM (#27687217)
I'm the downvotee. I think they understand economics. Who doesn't? What they refuse to admit is:

1) Healthcare is a limited resource, like anything else.

2) Prevention, which few if any "leaders" highlight, is a viable alternative to healthcare price increases.

Are there there some nefarious undercurrents? Yes, of course. But to blame all our ills - and remove diet, lifestyle, etc. - on ever increasing demand only makes the current system stronger. People who believe they have no control aren't part of the solution.

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by skohan on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @02:08PM (#27691707)
I recommend reading up on the laws of supply and demand.
Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by hourislate on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:33PM (#27665761)
I think we all understand that Type II is preventable but I don't think that's the main focus here. There are plenty of folks who have Type I that can't afford Insulin and have to ration it causing harm and additional costs in healthcare. It's slow mass murder for Type I diabetics who can't afford their medicine. If you believe that it is a supply and demand issue why does the same Insulin cost 80% less in a country like Canada and before you say it's subsidized, it isn't. An American can buy it for substantially less if they can get a prescription from a Canadian doctor.
Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by chiefalchemist on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:09PM (#27668166)
> There are plenty of folks who have Type I that can't afford Insulin and have to ration it causing harm and additional costs in healthcare

Exactly. The preventable T2D is driving up demand (read: prices) for both T1D and T2D.

I don't know about Canada. I do know about supply and demand. We all do. In the context of healthcare it makes no sense that ppl abuse their health and then expect prices to fall.

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by hourislate on Monday June 28, 2021 @06:18PM (#27668984)
What if I were to tell you the the Insulin for Type II diabetes is $35 at Walmart and the Insulin for Type I is $380-$500. By your reasoning shouldn't it all be expensive?

What you fail to consider it that the company that controls the particular type of Insulin that Type I diabetics require is charging 80% less in Canada than in the USA with everything else equal.

Do you get it?

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by chiefalchemist on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @07:26AM (#27687244)
Manufacturing - not just the product - is a resourse as well. Going to the doctor is a resource. Health insurance employees a resource. Etc. We keep puttingg more and more demands on the resources and...want prices to fall?

Do you get it?

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by mgarfias on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:00PM (#27665239)
Our food system is sure rigged to make us fat. But then, in my case, what was it that triggered the t2d? Was it the family genetics (both parents are t2d in their old age), the over abundance of sugar in the std American diet, the stress caused by abusive relationships (parents suck, plus ex wife made my life a living hell), or the adrenal tumor?

I’ll never know and I’m stuck with it.

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by chiefalchemist on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:10PM (#27665401)
Two of three you have control over. Some might even agrue epigenetics says three of three.

Diet. Exercise. Etc. All known to change T2D.

Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by skohan on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:15PM (#27665461)
Do you have a source on the scarcity claim? My understanding was that insulin is incredibly cheap to produce.
Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by chiefalchemist on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:04PM (#27668099)
Never claimed scarcity. Only that as demand has increased - and it has significantly - so has price. It's basic economics. Unless there are additional economies of scale from that multiple then prices are going to increase. This isn't about insulin. It's simple economics.
Re:Biohackers take aim at big pharma’s stranglehold on insulin by chiefalchemist on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:00PM (#27665228)
Down voted (faux cancelled) as expected. For stating fact and truth? God bless you.