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Re:The Lightness of Windows by gjsman-1000 on Monday June 28, 2021 @12:27PM (#27663949)
IBM, in a historic twist of fate, rolled out Macs to their entire fleet unless you opted out. They also said that using Mac, contrary to what you'd expect from the purchase price, saved them buckets of money.
Re:The Lightness of Windows by dijit on Monday June 28, 2021 @12:48PM (#27664235)
I don't know why you wouldn't expect that.

People (consumers) see the Mac prices and balk because they're comparing to the Acer Aspire they can buy at BestBuy on discount for $300.

Businesses see the Mac prices (and, barring upgrades): they see that they're cost competitive with the contemporaries.

Dell XPS, HP Elitebook, Lenovo Thinkpad Txx (or Carbon X1) are all in spitting distance and in some cases even more expensive than Macbooks.

That's before you even talk support contracts or yearly licenses (the OEM license on the unit is rarely the one you'll use, usually you have a volume license and a KMS server which also costs a lot of money).

Re:The Lightness of Windows by gjsman-1000 on Monday June 28, 2021 @12:53PM (#27664314)
Exactly. From a business' perspective (and according to IBM's own study so this isn't conjecture), Macs are significantly cheaper in the long term, and only slightly more expensive in the short term if even.

Also, when it comes to management for a small or even medium sized business, look at Apple's approach to management: https://www.fleetsmith.com . Dead simple pricing, dead simple UI, and they provision your devices out of the box without any manual setup. You can just buy 50 MacBooks, Apple will automatically ship them set up to your employees for no charge, and you'll pay a several bucks a month per device for management.

Now compare that to how you manage a Windows deployment. By comparison, it's unintelligible. You need to upgrade every device to Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise as part of a contract to join a domain, set up a domain server with Active Directory to have a user store, add connects to connect the Directory to the Domain which may or may not require a Windows Server, which may or may not require the arbitrary Windows Server CALs, and then you have to manually set up and wipe each device out of the box unless you managed to get a special deal with the OEM...

Re:The Lightness of Windows by crooked-v on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:01PM (#27665247)
> and only slightly more expensive in the short term if even

As I found with Lenovo and their bizarre continued use of 1080p as a baseline everywhere in CURRENT_YEAR, if you specifically go looking for laptops with even just 1440p displays the prices quickly inflate towards Apple levels.

Re:The Lightness of Windows by MangoCoffee on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:04PM (#27665294)
maybe large enterprises see Macs are cheaper but all i see is Windows pc in small to mid size companies.
Re:The Lightness of Windows by dijit on Monday June 28, 2021 @03:26PM (#27666583)
You’ll see it in large companies too; there is heavy inertia and quite a bit of lock-in on the windows ecosystem.
Re:The Lightness of Windows by 908B64B197 on Monday June 28, 2021 @09:23PM (#27670557)
> because they're comparing to the Acer Aspire they can buy at BestBuy on discount for $300.

...it even has a bigger screen and hard drive!

Re:The Lightness of Windows by alerighi on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:47PM (#27665038)
I don't see how having to replace an entire computer for an hardware fault like a broken SSD can make you save a lot of money. Maybe in the old days where macs were still professional machines.

Nowadays macs are the nightmare of every IT department, the smallest that on a PC takes a couple of minutes, like changing an hard drive or a RAM module, it's a major surgery on a mac, where it's still possible and where you don't get all the things soldered on the main board.

You have an OS problem on a mac? Good luck wasting hours reinstalling the operating system manually and then installing all the software. On Windows? You have your custom install ISO with all the drivers and software you need and you install it automatically. Or just have a stack of cloned disks, and in case of a problem just swap the hard drive, in most enterprise computers that have everything tool less is basically the fastest way.

Also Windows machines are usually favorites by the IT departments because they work well with all the Active Directory stuff, meaning that you can manage everything centralized. Yes, you can even on a mac join an Active Directory domain, but you can do less things than with a Windows machine.

And surely you have to develop a lot of custom tooling to administer network made by macs, while on Windows you can do that with standard tooling.

Re:The Lightness of Windows by 908B64B197 on Monday June 28, 2021 @09:21PM (#27670544)
Was that during the PowerPC era? Would have been natural for IBM to want their own chip powering their employee's machines.