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Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by aphroz on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:31AM (#27659364)
I take these tests very seriously, I don't want a car to crashes because I missed a traffic light.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by tsimionescu on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:36AM (#27659718)
I intentionally mislabel one or two every time. It's not my job and not my responsibility to help someone recognize these, and they shouldn't be relying on internet strangers correctly labeling stuff for the security of our road systems.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by thatguy0900 on Monday June 28, 2021 @09:16AM (#27661531)
I remember when Google was using it to digitize and publish freely available books and it felt like a useful, clever thing to do. Now it just feels like being a unpaid worker.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by loupgarou21 on Monday June 28, 2021 @11:26AM (#27663139)
I remember when google was doing that and there were people exploiting it for both fun and profit.

On the "fun" side, a bunch of 4chaners were intentionally poisoning the results with swear words.

Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by dimitrios1 on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:03PM (#27664435)
It's exactly how I feel whenever I am forced to use a self checkout line.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by tsimionescu on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:53PM (#27667946)
I don't agree on that front. Checking out of the store is not automatically someone else's job - it's work that needs to be done for the relationship to be ethical. Just like people clean after themselves, they can also mark their own items and pay what is owed.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by thatguy0900 on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:01PM (#27667112)
I've seen alot of comments along the lines that if you're not stealing when using self checkout lanes then you're being scammed. I'm a little swayed by the opinion, to be honest. It didn't used to be that there was only two lanes (out of 12) open during prime time shopping in all grocery stores, but it is now. Grocery stores found out they could just offload that part of the job onto customers for free.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by recursive on Monday June 28, 2021 @06:36PM (#27669184)
You're compensated with the time you would have had to spend waiting in line.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by dimitrios1 on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @12:07AM (#27671653)
Versus the time I have to spend scanning and bagging my own goods, waiting for the attendant to come over and punch in some magic code every time the machine whacks out over the weight, getting a manager to come over and provide an override for coupons, or to purchase alcohol or tobacco? Yeah no, self-checkout lines are a special kind of hell.

Maybe the average HN'er doesn't do any serious grocery shopping, say to feed a large family, but there's no way I am taking a cart full of groceries to a self checkout line, I'd rather wait. Sure, for buying 10 items or less, they are OK.

I prefer cashiers who are paid well to do their jobs, rather than subsidizing companies that refuse to pay living wages and just threw in the towel. Try checking out an ALDIs sometime to see how truly blissful being rung up at their checkout lines are.

Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by recursive on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @09:38AM (#27675581)
I would never attempt to ring up a $500 cart of groceries for feeding a family on my own. And I do buy those. Also, I generally prefer the cashier experience.

However, I do occasionally need to get just an item or two. If I'm at a store that has a self-checkout, it seems to be faster for that.

Also, the checkout at ALDI is an impressive demonstration of efficiency. CostCo seems to have a similar philosophy.

Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by SheinhardtWigCo on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:35PM (#27665795)
Not to be a party pooper, but that’s part of their threat model. They expect some % of users to mislabel, intentionally or not.

To really cause problems, you would have to incentivize a large number of other web users to also mislabel the same images.

Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by tsimionescu on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:55PM (#27667975)
I'm under no false impressions - these dark patterns are used because they work. I still don't think it's good, I don't feel compelled to cooperate, and I certainly don't think we should consider that this is an acceptable way to conduct this type of work/research.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by diarrhea on Monday June 28, 2021 @10:19AM (#27662308)
I'm always happy when my intentionally-mislabeled solution is accepted. A lot get rejected.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by eyivghh on Monday June 28, 2021 @09:43AM (#27661856)
Myself included. Ill mislabel things that look like they could be, but are obviously not. If im asked to “Tag motorcyles” ill tag bikes as well.

Also, i dont want self driving cars. Not until all the social issues are resolved.

Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by jimmaswell on Monday June 28, 2021 @11:09AM (#27662934)
Imagine if they waited for all social issues to be resolved before putting cars on the road in the first place, or if Uber waited for better laws, etc. It would have never happened. Putting something out there and getting people used to it before curmudgeonly beurocrats and other naysayers can catch up is the best way to do things in these cases.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by jraph on Monday June 28, 2021 @12:49PM (#27664248)
Imagine [...] if Uber waited for better laws, etc. It would have never happened.

Ah… thanks for this second of imagination, that was some quality time.

Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by jimmaswell on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:29PM (#27664777)
Uber is one of the best things to happen to transportation in a long time, hemming and hawing about the pay or their practices aside.
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by anoonmoose on Monday June 28, 2021 @10:59AM (#27662828)
my man, you're bragging about being one of those social issues
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by thesehands on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:34AM (#27659705)
systems also need noisy labels..
Re:Mimicking a device is becoming almost impossible by bitcurious on Monday June 28, 2021 @09:36AM (#27661777)
That’s a great bit :)