As for “expulsion” 22% of Israeli citizens are Arabs and further more are Druze, Circassian, Bedouin, etc. with equal rights. An Arab party is literally part of the Government right now. If you’re going to try to derail a topic with ignorant nonsense about Israel, at least get your facts right.
You questioning my facts shows you are a rude person. I shared my opinion and you insult me. Wanna come invade my house and claim it yours maybe?
Facts don't belong to anyone. They are just facts. You calling my refugee grandparents fleeing the Holocaust "invaders" is arguably ruder than me calling your fact-free nonsense, er nonsense. Cope.
- "Israel became a state by UN mandate" : I believe that mandate was an invasion. I believe I was clear. That's my opinion. I am happy to discuss it and change my mind if convinced. You insulted me and gave me 0 food for thought.
- "Facts don't belong to anyone": You were the one who said "get your facts right". You are incoherent in a matter of 2 messages. That said remember that facts are not easy to find, as it's very clear lately. So, while they don't belong to anyone, for a lot of things we will never have access to them and we have to rely on opinions.
- "You calling my refugee grandparents fleeing the Holocaust "invaders"" : I didn't. And ofc this is macro political argument, not a personal matter. I already told you what I consider an invasion. The UN mandate. The Holocaust was a great tragedy and I believe the victims had to be taken care properly. I just think that the way it was done created decades of wars and suffering and have shown how inadequate of a solution that was.
I am not gonna answer any more messages though. It's not really helping anyone and I think you are extremely emotional about this. This is not the kind of conversation I was looking forward or what I want to engage in.
I wish you all the best! I mean it!
You only dislike the sausage here because you can see it being made.
You can be a brutal savage and you conquer land and just claim it yours. All good.
At some point you evolve into a modern civilization and start following the rules of law, basic human rights and those sort of things.
That is the moment when you cannot just conquer land by force because it goes against your own values.
Israeli was formed by countries whose values would not allow its creation. It was just extremely convenient for them and everyone looked somewhere else.
Just wanted to point out, Jews are native to Israel.
I agree on your comment on the ineffectiveness of embargos. Unfortunately the solution to the Israel problem is to not create Israel in the first place. At this point, the damage is done. That's why governments (looking at you US) should think more before deploying military (vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, .... )