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Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by boublepop on Sunday June 27, 2021 @09:51AM (#27651565)
It took 10 years before the “python2 will never die”-crowd finally accepted they where not going to win at that python3 was here to stay.

People spend a couple of years getting used to a stack in their early carrier and then spend decades arguing that it should never change.

Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by TwoNineFive on Sunday June 27, 2021 @08:41PM (#27656885)
The problem with your analogy is that while a lot of people did move from python to python 3, a lot also stopped using python all together because the python2/3 split demonstrated that the python devs were willing to throw everyone's work out the window for fun. There was no technical reason why backwards comparability wasn't possible. Multiple good solutions were put forward. They were all rejected for silly reasons.

A lot of that "python2 will never die" crowd left python all together, and they are better off for it because they won't have to deal with the next time python decides to throw everyone's work out the window.

Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by kaba0 on Sunday June 27, 2021 @11:54AM (#27652560)
But python programs are much more complex than init scripts systemd replace. It is more like people hate change and are lazy to learn a new thing.
Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by smitty1e on Sunday June 27, 2021 @12:17PM (#27652786)
Mamagement has 99 problems. Holding a status quo is about minimizing the backlog more than hating change as such.

Even when we can show am improvement in security and usability, and lower training cost because of consistency, it's still another mouth to feed.

Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by kaba0 on Sunday June 27, 2021 @12:53PM (#27653102)
If it provides sufficient benefits (which systemd does), it is a no brainer.
Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by smitty1e on Sunday June 27, 2021 @10:07PM (#27657380)
As a technical matter, sure.

As a business/ management matter, we frequently cannot do the technically obvious thing due to other constraints.

Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by kaba0 on Monday June 28, 2021 @08:25AM (#27660948)
I would agree, but systemd has been around quite some time now. At this point it is technical debt not upgrading to it, unless you use something better.
Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by a1369209993 on Sunday June 27, 2021 @03:34PM (#27654537)
> the "[python] will never die"-crowd finally accepted they where not going to win

Why are you talking in the past tense? We have done no such thing. Death to python 3; long live python.

Re:Avoiding Complexity with Systemd by boublepop on Sunday June 27, 2021 @04:36PM (#27655058)
Obviously I don’t mean you don’t exist any more, but the surveys show enough converted that your views on pythons future are no longer relevant in the bigger picture.