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Re:New Records Show the NYPD’s Favored Punishment: Less Vaca... by ch4s3 on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:03PM (#27632480)
Could you imagine doing that at your job and not being fired immediately?
Re:New Records Show the NYPD’s Favored Punishment: Less Vaca... by siegecraft on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:37PM (#27633084)
current job? no. a job with a strong union? yes. a startup with a certain kind of work hard/play hard (really just lots of drinking) culture? definitely, there's plenty of stories like this (and worse) in the books.
Re:New Records Show the NYPD’s Favored Punishment: Less Vaca... by ch4s3 on Friday June 25, 2021 @01:17PM (#27633642)
Do you think the the people who hold the truncheon of the state's monopoly on violence should have a "work hard/play hard" culture, or union protections that absolve them of consequences when they impulsively act violently?
Re:New Records Show the NYPD’s Favored Punishment: Less Vaca... by mindslight on Friday June 25, 2021 @03:13PM (#27635041)
I think people who "hold the truncheon" should be intelligent enough to appreciate humor, yes.

FWIW framing things as if officers' job is to perform violence on behalf of the state is a big part of the problem. The state's monopoly on violence should be in the hands of the courts, and not individual officers doling out punishment. Police officers should be seen as citizens getting paid to do a good job at something that any other citizen could do if so inclined.

Re:New Records Show the NYPD’s Favored Punishment: Less Vaca... by ch4s3 on Friday June 25, 2021 @07:13PM (#27637390)
> The state's monopoly on violence should be in the hands of the courts, and not individual officers doling out punishment

I would generally agree, but at the end of the day any state prohibition must eventually be enforced by some level of violence or more mildly, coercive force.

One could write several books about the nonviolent crimes US police have killed people enforcing. And this is my point. The arm of the state must be reigned in somewhere.

Re:New Records Show the NYPD’s Favored Punishment: Less Vaca... by mindslight on Friday June 25, 2021 @08:53PM (#27638018)
We're definitely in agreement that the arm of the state must be reigned in somehow. I'm just saying that most violence done by police is not de jure state violence backed up by any legal order, but rather personal decisions on their part for which they should be held personally accountable.
Re:New Records Show the NYPD’s Favored Punishment: Less Vaca... by mosselman on Friday June 25, 2021 @02:57PM (#27634880)
Yes. I think a heartfelt appology and an assurance that it wouldn't happen again and paying for damages would come a long way.