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Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by klyrs on Thursday June 24, 2021 @08:00PM (#27625482)
If the only problem is poverty, then pay the parents $1600/mo to take care of the kid. If that sounds weird, it's about how much foster homes receive per child. We have[1] a system in place that continues to take children from parents in poverty, and then delivers them to a broken foster system; paying more than my monthly child expenses. Handing money to the parents instead has the same monetary cost, but has a chance to break the cycle of needlessly tearing families apart.

[1] "birth alerts" were discontinued in some provinces around 2019, but remain "under review" in NB, NL, and NS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_alert

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Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by beaner on Thursday June 24, 2021 @08:51PM (#27625860)
This sounds like a perverse incentive [0]. If you reward impoverished people for having children, it is not unlikely that the net result will simply be more children birthed into poverty.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive

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Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by klyrs on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:55PM (#27626323)
The foster system is rife with perverse incentives, and Canada is experiencing a population decline. Is it actually a perverse incentive to raise more indigenous kids in stable homes with guaranteed income?

And, this touches on a broader conversation about UBI. IMO, payments for the kid should start in the third trimester. Our society does not value stay-at-home parents nearly enough. It's a job, and a damned hard one at that. Doesn't do much good to give people a guaranteed income that's too small to raise kids on -- you'll end up with parents working multiple jobs and the cycle of poverty continues.

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Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by Thorrez on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:44AM (#27627225)
I guess one option is to reward everyone for having children. Although this only makes sense if you want more children in your country. Some countries do. Singapore apparently has a giant "baby bonus" of incentives worth $121,400 USD to have 2 children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_bonus

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Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by cgio on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:58PM (#27626346)
Except for the fact that if you reward them then the children will not be birthed into poverty. You'll get more children, full stop.
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Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by rangerelf on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:32AM (#27627172)
"...full stop."

What insane arrogance. Do you have evidence or is this some gut feeling you're having?

Or "common sense"?

Or because you said so?

Edit: accidentally a word.

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Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by Thorrez on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:46AM (#27627233)
I think it depends on your definition of poverty. If you define poverty as having an income below a certain amount, and you pay parents above that amount, then by definition the kids aren't born into poverty.
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