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Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by duxup on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:59PM (#27620456)
I wouldn't mind ads if they were ... accurate, and would just advertise what I want to see, and let me participate and tell them what I want.

Let me manage what I want to hear about. I can assure you that my engagement would be a hell of a lot higher than when they advertise "thing you just bought" or "we think you're a woman here's a bunch of products related to" (I'm not a woman, I don't buy those products, amazon ... stop it). Or Google "hey here's some stuff from some sports team you googled" no google that's my team's RIVAL... I already told you I don't like them.

Granted advertising dollars come from folks who want to spend them so I'm going to see that stuff, not the other way around.

Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by Xelbair on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:08PM (#27620654)
i would mind if ads are accurate.

I prefer them to not have ANY information about me - because the holy grail of such system is to dynamically adjust prices, upwards, depending on your preferences. To extract as much money as you are willing to pay for a product.

An automated bazaar system, where prices can only rise for you.

Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by duxup on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:16PM (#27620770)
I probably should have specified earlier but I was thinking a system where I get to indicate what I want.

I wonder about the prices rising thing. If one guy wants to jack up his prices for me ... someone else might be smart enough to lower them.

Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by krageon on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @09:07AM (#27760671)
> someone else might be smart enough to

True intelligence is collaborating in raising prices, as everyone wins. An incumbent who refuses to participate can be forced out by systematically lowering prices until they go bankrupt. Always assume something with more power and money than you is going to take every step they can to bully and mess with you, because it has been obvious for a while it will. The whole "the market will fix it" argument is untrue in so, so many scenarios that it's not worth addressing beyond that.

Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by heavyset_go on Thursday June 24, 2021 @04:19PM (#27623253)
In a way, this kind of happens already. Different companies target different segments of the population with their products, and targeted advertising makes sure that only specific segments of the population see certain ads.

A poor person might get ads for predatory banking products and payday loans, while a wealthier person might get ads for investment products and mortgages or business loans. The latter person might get ads for Whole Foods, while the former gets ads for Dollar Tree.

Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by elorant on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:49PM (#27621353)
I'm on the same boat. But furthermore, I'd like ads to be related to the content of the site I'm visiting. Say I'm on Quanta reading an article about black holes, how about show me an ad for a book on dark matter. Instead of an ad for a pair of shoes I searched a week ago. Contextual ads make so much more sense to me.
Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by andai on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:03PM (#27620538)
I'm torn: on the one hand I'd rather not be spied on on every damn web page I visit. On the other hand, my experience with Instagram's ads was downright positive, which was very unexpected. They showed me cool stuff that I didn't even know existed, and that I'd actually like to buy.

So it seems like we should either have no surveillance, or the absolute maximum -- most ads are still in that gross uncanny valley.

Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by skinkestek on Thursday June 24, 2021 @02:03PM (#27621553)
Instagram ads are surprisingly good compared to Googles given how little I've told Instagram compared to Google.

Google ads are overwhelmingly useless and for years (a decade?) they were outright insulting to my family.

Re:International coalition calls for action against surveill... by Vinnl on Thursday June 24, 2021 @03:40PM (#27622824)
> I wouldn't mind ads if they were ... accurate, and would just advertise what I want to see

"Accurate" doesn't necessarily mean "what you want to see". The quip of "more relevant ads" sounds nice, but it just means they're tuned to you specifically, not that they're tuned to what you want to see.

As an example, if it is possible to accurately target people with particular voting preferences, it is possible to show them links to articles about how individual votes don't matter and otherwise discourage them from voting.

That's more accurate, but not desirable.