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Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by Kiro on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:43PM (#27606552)
It's male chauvinism, abuse and oppression of women. As long as buying a woman just to exploit her body sexually is normalized we will never reach equality. The few happy sex workers that truly think they are not abused are not worth the enormous negative effects prostitution has on society.
Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by standardUser on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:50PM (#27607608)
Sounds like a lot of projection and presumption, combined with a complete dismissal of male sex work. I would argue that as long as people like you assume a woman con't control her own body without it being "exploited" or "oppressed", we will never reach equity.
Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by only_as_i_fall on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:50PM (#27608475)
I also believe in work safety laws that prohibit workers from operating machinery for 14 hours straight or climbing radio antenna without any kind of safety equipment. I fail to see how that's fine but laws about selling sex are somehow in violation of these worker's agency.
Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by handoflixue on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:52PM (#27610952)
You really don't understand the difference between a safety regulation and a moral regulation? Or do you think sex work is intrinsically dangerous and prostitutes might fall to their death due to a lack of safety gear?
Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by only_as_i_fall on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:19PM (#27613551)
Prostitution is intrinsically dangerous and prostitutes are significantly more likely to die than any other workers. This isn't counting the incredibly high rates of physical violence and rape they face.
Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by handoflixue on Friday June 25, 2021 @04:54AM (#27628485)
I have never once heard about this: what exactly are the intrinsic dangers of prostitution that make it so much less safe than being a lumberjack?
Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by standardUser on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:10PM (#27608714)
"I fail to see how that's fine but laws about selling sex are somehow in violation of these worker's agency."

You don't understand how limits on some types of work are different from a comprehensive prohibition on other types of work? I don't beleive you.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by only_as_i_fall on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:12PM (#27609583)
I don't see how banning prostitution isn't merely a limit on the kinds of sex work you can perform.

The distinction is arbitrary.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by coldpotato on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:17PM (#27608010)
> It's male chauvinism, abuse and oppression of women

Do you think all sex workers identify as female?

> As long as buying a woman just to exploit her body sexually is normalized we will never reach equality

How is it any different from any other industry? What's the difference between paying someone to massage your scalp because it feels good and paying them to massage your genitalia because it feels good? For that matter, how is it any different to any job at all? Is a person being paid to restock shelves being hired for their holistic personhood? We're "exploiting" their body for their ability to lift items onto shelves. How are sexual skills any different from any other skill which we employee people for?

> The few happy sex workers that truly think they are not abused are not worth the enormous negative effects prostitution has on society.

Right, those sex workers are so dumb they don't even know of they're happy or not.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by only_as_i_fall on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:56PM (#27608538)
Not all sex workers are women but an overwhelming majority of them are and those that are women or trans are much more likely to face violence especially at the hands of men.

This is clearly a gender specific problem despite your desire to frame it otherwise.

As to your second point, we often hire underage people to do work such as restocking shelves. If sex work is truly the same as retail work would you also argue that hiring an underage prostitute is no different than when Walmart hires a 15 year old to push carts? If not, what's the difference?

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by handoflixue on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:54PM (#27610975)
We don't allow 15 year olds to sell alcohol, why would we allow them to sell sex? I'm sure one doesn't have to stretch far to find other examples of professions we don't generally let 15 year olds engage in - you don't seriously think a 15 year old cop with a gun is okay, do you? Or a 15 year old soldier on the front lines? Are you okay with a 15 year old doing your next heart surgery?

This is clearly a situation that society knows how to handle via a fairly wide variety of methods and control systems.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by only_as_i_fall on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:22PM (#27613578)
A 15 year old can't be a surgeon because they can't perform surgery. This is a false equivalence.
Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by 9000 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:02PM (#27610325)
> As to your second point, we often hire underage people to do work such as restocking shelves. If sex work is truly the same as retail work would you also argue that hiring an underage prostitute is no different than when Walmart hires a 15 year old to push carts? If not, what's the difference?

I don't find this argument compelling. Are you saying that the only professions that are morally permissible are those that we would allow fifteen-year-olds to do? We don't allow them to bartend, drive trucks, nor be members of the US Senate, but I find it silly to think that fact makes those professions particularly immoral. 15 year olds aren't even allowed to work 40 hour weeks in most countries.

And, to answer your question, I think the answer is that the fifteen-year-old is not sexually nor emotionally mature enough to engage in prostitution. (Just like they are not mature enough to serve alcohol or drive, whereas they are likely emotionally mature enough to push carts.) They're below the legal age of consent by three years, for goodness' sake! Advocating for legalized and regulated prostitution is not equivalent to advocating for pedophilia, and I find the equivalence you've drawn troubling.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by only_as_i_fall on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:25PM (#27613604)
I'm not arguing that prostitution should be illegal because it is immoral (I don't even think it shouldbe illegal), I'm arguing that clearly sex is different than every other activity we engage in and its simply incorrect to pretend that having sex with someone is the same thing as scanning their groceries.
Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by vmception on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:41PM (#27608362)
The market is men, the workers are not specifically women