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Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by eesmith on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:36AM (#27605734)
While true for the US, this is Sweden. Swedes don't expect men to pay for dates, don't expect men to be the primary breadwinner, and there is no such thing as marriage annulment, while divorces can be without fault.

https://everythingsweden.com/dating-in-sweden/ - "Coming from the UK, it’s very common that if you take someone to a restaurant, the guy pays for the meal. If the opportunity is there then great, but don’t be offended if your date demands to split the bill 50/50. Sweden is very serious about being gender neutral and this is a good example."

https://www.government.se/4a7738/contentassets/efcc5a15ef154... - "Women and men must have the same opportunities for economic independence. In Sweden, some of the most important reforms concerning gender equality took place in the labour market and in social policy in the 1970s. These reforms pushed gender equality and increased women’s prospects to have the same opportunities as men to enter the labour market, and to remain and develop there." including "Separate income taxation for wife and husband", "Development of public child care", and "First country to introduce gender-neutral paid parental leave benefit".

And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_law_in_Sweden#Grounds_... - "One critical feature that marks Swedish divorce laws is the complete absence of any fault requirement when establishing a case for divorce. Fault is entirely irrelevant and has no legal consequences on the results of the proceedings ... under the Swedish laws, there is no preliminary requirement of a separation period before a divorce case can be established."

And https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_divorce-45-se-maximizeMS... - "There are no rules governing marriage annulment in Swedish law."

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by DoreenMichele on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:40AM (#27605796)
Thank you for that. But they have a ways to go to achieve actual equality:

In 2019, female workers in Sweden earned on average 25,500 Swedish kronor on a monthly basis, while the average salary for men was in the same class was 29,500 Swedish kronor per month.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/740048/monthly-salary-in...

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by epicureanideal on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:20PM (#27608064)
> But they have a ways to go to achieve actual equality

But what are the causes of this inequality? What if it is simply different choices on average rather than discrimination? If it is the choice of free people that produces this inequality, do we force people to pick different jobs, or tax one side more heavily than the other to compensate? What is the proposed solution?

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by DoreenMichele on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:49PM (#27608457)
Cishet females are capable of getting pregnant. Most of our cultural norms are rooted in historical efforts to make sure everyone got cared for and men didn't just run around impregnating random women and not providing for the children that resulted and leaving the mother's life in ruins.

Birth control and other factors have made it possible to live differently than that but we still norm everything around practices that worked to get the least worst result for human kind historically.

The odds are good there will always be some differences between men and women. But those aggregate stats tend to downplay the degree to which women get barred from having a good life on their own efforts and tend to be condemned to poverty and hardship through no fault of their own, no matter how hard they try.

My proposed solution is we need to find ways to let women have enough more consistently without having to sleep with a man to get it. To my mind, one test for that is if I could just make my life work that would be a step forward, a step in the right direction.

I seem unable to adequately explain that to anyone here. I seem unable to adequately get across that there is something fundamentally wrong and gender-based when the highest ranked openly female member here still can't make ends meet and far too few people are at all helpful with that issue.

I remain essentially a charity case though people agree I add value, I'm smart, etc. It still fails to adequately open doors for me and people act like that has no bearing on conversations about gender inequality and dismiss me as just some loser and crybaby, as if I don't have some kind of legitimate point here.

I think I need to walk away from this discussion at this point. It's probably accomplishing nothing, as usual, and I find these kinds of conversations incredibly infuriating.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by eesmith on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:44PM (#27606570)
Certainly. But does wage inequality cause people to "vilify sex work and torture sex workers"?

I doubt it, as I see that the gender wage inequality in The Netherlands is much higher (https://www.statista.com/statistics/537993/average-monthly-w... ) and yet the Netherlands has legalized sex work.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by DoreenMichele on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:58PM (#27606785)
does wage inequality cause people to "vilify sex work and torture sex workers"?

No, of course not. That's not what I'm suggesting.

When I was homeless, men repeatedly offered me money for sex or offered me a place to stay. Meanwhile, I was repeatedly told on HN that my desire to support myself with my writing was ludicrous, that writing dies not pay and I shouldn't expect it to.

And when I say my gender is a barrier to effective networking and a factor in my intractable poverty, I am routinely mocked and dismissed.

I am seriously handicapped, which limits the kind of work I can do. I don't qualify for disability.

I don't need a helluva lot of money. I still can't get what I need. All I get is BS personal attacks, dismissals and contempt.

It's very, very clear in my mind that men are willing to pay me for sex or marry me but far too few people are willing to pay me for other kinds of work and the networking that helps men make money via business is something I'm mostly cut off from.

And it's a tiresome situation because I'm given nothing but crap for trying to solve my problems no matter what I do.

I've been here nearly twelve years. Plenty of men make good money via HN. I don't, though my past front page post had over 15k page views and people thanked me for writing it. But it made not one thing dime.

And if you don't want to support my blog writing, I also do resume work and get too little business that way as well.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by epicureanideal on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:22PM (#27608097)
> It's very, very clear in my mind that men are willing to pay me for sex or marry me but far too few people are willing to pay me for other kinds of work and the networking that helps men make money via business is something I'm mostly cut off from.

What kind of networking is being recommended? I'd like to know so I can do more of it.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by DoreenMichele on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:26PM (#27608157)
If I knew an effective answer to that, I wouldn't have this complaint.

All I know is multiple people here have comments in their profile "Don't hesitate to get in touch! I'm happy to hear from you!" And those people have proven to be generally unhelpful.

Saying too much more puts me in danger of getting in trouble for breaking the rules. It's perfectly acceptable for 5 million people to watch me starve and say "Not my problem." It's not perfectly acceptable for me to tell my story here, no matter how careful I am and I'm quite clear that being not careful would be more problematic for me and get me no remedy.

Re:The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden by eesmith on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:38PM (#27608308)
Then what of your comments anything to do with topic "The ongoing witch-hunt for sex workers in Sweden"?