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Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by crazygringo on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:20PM (#27599170)
Incorrect. I voted in today's NYC mayoral primary. There are 13 candidates on the Democratic primary ballot. Perhaps 3 are considered "front-runners" but everyone's aware it's entirely possible at least a couple of the others could wind up winning. The race is entirely up in the air.

Because NYC is overwhelmingly Democratic, this election almost certainly determines who will be mayor.

And not only do you need to do your research on these many candidates, but there are similar lists of more than 2 candidates for Borough President, Comptroller, etc.

Welcome to actual democracy where you suddenly do get to express meaningful choices that aren't just between a single candidate preselected by two parties! And know that if your first-choice candidate doesn't win, your vote isn't effectively thrown out. :)

Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by tialaramex on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:15PM (#27599557)
> And not only do you need to do your research on these many candidates, but there are similar lists of more than 2 candidates for Borough President, Comptroller, etc.

Can you say how many such choices "etcetera" was eliding here? And if possible if there were roles where you had no idea about any of the candidates beyond stuff like incumbency ? I can see New York City is too big to make just having a Mayor on the ballot enough to properly establish democratically elected local government, but in general it seems Americans elect way too many roles.

Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by samoube on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:31PM (#27599697)
Here’s a sample ballot from today’s primary in Brooklyn. Voting was for 7 offices, 5 of which were RCV.

https://nyc-static.electionhub.com/sampleballots/384760/12/2...

Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by tialaramex on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @08:26AM (#27603630)
Yeah :/ that does seem excessive. Delegates to the Judicial Convention in particular don't look to me to have a role that justifies expecting citizens to choose eleven of them each cycle.
Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by Talanes on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:38PM (#27608320)
I believe those, in particular, are part of the party infrastructure, and just on there because it's a Democratic Party Primary ballot.

We elect some form of party-apparatus delegates here in California too, though the Democratic Party here holds those elections separately and privately.

The only one I've ever been actively aware was happening was because I was dating someone working for a prominent state politician, and got dragged along to vote for people I'd never heard of in some park.

Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by adventured on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:47PM (#27600232)
> Welcome to actual democracy

Fake democracy where you get to choose viable candidates exclusively from one party, and only one party.

Aka a party dictatorship, the same as they have in most authoritarian states, and ideologically enforced in a similarly regressive manner. If you're not of the party, you will be an outcast and blockaded from any chance at winning. The opposite of democracy, and very clearly so.

Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by jahmed on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:34PM (#27600505)
If you don't represent the views of the voters you won't win.

Another way to say it is "if you're not of the society, you will be outcast and blockaded from any chance of winning."

Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by jjeaff on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:18AM (#27602112)
Anyone can join that party and run in the primary.
Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by crazygringo on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:15AM (#27600722)
What are you even talking about...?

Literally anyone can run in the Democratic primary, you just have to be registered as a Democrat, which is just filling out a form where there are no wrong answers.

Have you even been following the NYC primary at all? "Ideologically enforced" is hilarious. The difference between, say, the current #1 and #2 candidates Adams and Wiley is basically the difference between Trump and Bernie Sanders, and the the rest are everything in between and then some.

If you think anything is being ideologically enforced in this race, if you think anyone is being "outcast and blockaded" -- I mean, this dude Paperboy Love Prince [1] is actually on the ballot, not even joking -- then quite frankly you're delusional. This isn't Communist China, this is the Democratic Party which is, well, famously a bit of a mess.

I don't know where you live or what news you read, but if you're trying to claim America isn't democratic and open then, ha... you sure picked the wrong race to use as an example! :)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperboy_Prince

Re:What is ranked-choice voting and why is New York using it? by goodpoint on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @08:35AM (#27603738)
Are you hinting at the Overton Window? It's notoriously small in the US.