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Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by pseudalopex on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:18PM (#27597355)
I know several people on the autism spectrum. They say Damore was an asshole. It frustrates them so many neurotypical people casually equate those things.
Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by AlexTWithBeard on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:09PM (#27598499)
May be he's an asshole. Isn't it what tolerance is about?

Having nothing against gays is not tolerance. This way people are also tolerant to microwaves, ceiling fans and aluminum foil: they have nothing agains all these things.

Tolerance is hating gays passionately, but still tolerating them and serving them in your store. Thinking that women should not be in the workspace, but still treating them equally and professionally.

That's what true tolerance is.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by actuallyalys on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:14PM (#27599542)
Hating someone and treating them "equally and professionally" is indeed the epitome of tolerance. However, I think your examples do a good job of illustrating the limitations of tolerance, perhaps inadvertently.

First, a world where most store owners hate me but serve me and most of my coworkers think I shouldn't be there but keep quiet about it is, bluntly speaking, a shitty world. Obviously, that world is better than one where people are outspoken about their bigotry, but I would strongly prefer a world of widespread acceptance.

Practically speaking, someone who "hates gays passionately" or thinks that "women should not be in the workspace" will probably treat their gay customers or female colleagues worse, even if they are trying to be tolerant.

Finally, I'd like to emphasize that these situations aren't academic to me. I'm fortunate in that I don't regularly experience homophobia in stores or misogyny at work but they're a real risk I face.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by hutzlibu on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:03AM (#27601622)
"Tolerance is hating gays passionately, but still tolerating them and serving them in your store. Thinking that women should not be in the workspace, but still treating them equally and professionally."

I have never seen that work. The hate usually manifest in various hidden and subtle actions. Intrigues. Plots. Leaving everyone involved with a bitter feeling and pure drama after a while.

If I am hated, I prefer open hate. Then I know where I am and can just go to a place I am truly welcome.

True tolerance in my book, is actually tolerating and accepting that life and humans are very diverse. Live and let live. And I can tolerate a lot of things I don't like for myself, as long as it is no direct harm to me.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by btilly on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:36PM (#27597533)
I know people with every combination of on/off the autism spectrum, who like/dislike Damore. Given that, anecdotes from any particular perspective aren't very telling.
Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by pseudalopex on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:51PM (#27597674)
It isn't about liking or disliking Damore. It's about respecting the social intelligence of other people on the autism spectrum.
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Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by watt on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @07:57AM (#27603401)
> So, fuck you. I hope you die in a fire.

Oh man, way to destroy your message. And here I thought it's going somewhere.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by hutzlibu on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:18AM (#27601725)
Now there are some emotions.

"similar to criticizing blind people for being bad at riding bicycles"

I am not aware of a debate where people get blamed for being blind.

But it makes sense to me to critizice people who want to ride bikes but have not the ability to do so in a safe way, that not endangers other people participating in street traffic.

Now if a blind person learns to ride the bike reasonable well (with technical help) so he or she can actually ride with safety and not endanger others - fine with me and probably most other people.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by TeeMassive on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:34PM (#27600499)
I know several too. They say he was fired by assholes. Trust me, I'm my own source on the Internets.