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Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by unyttigfjelltol on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:09PM (#27597252)
The structure of a revolution-- it usually begins when the rabble acts up and no authority is willing or able to stop them. So, 1 out of 1,000 users seek quasi-religious vengeance on Twitter and the mechanisms that used to inform the other 999 don't work. The NYT picks up toxic views of the rabble and reports them as mainstream, which the rabble have converted to a weapon in itself.

Most revolutions I've read about, large and small consist of an authentic breakdown in or reorganization of, society. Here and now, seems like we're actually discussing an antifeature of manufactured social technologies combined with capture or weakening of traditional media.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by nine_k on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:40PM (#27597568)
I think you mischaracterize these people as "rabble". Many of the vocal "woke" figures are highly educated, highly intellectual, and well-off. Professors, top business officers, high-achieving scientists, writers, engineers.

They do it not because they are stupid, for they are not. They truly believe that what they do is right, that it's the shining path to the better future.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by thaumasiotes on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:33PM (#27598117)
> I think you mischaracterize these people as "rabble". Many of the vocal "woke" figures are highly educated, highly intellectual, and well-off. Professors, top business officers, high-achieving scientists, writers, engineers.

That is the actual structure of a revolution. Your parent comment is misguided; revolutions that aren't led by elites are rare and, when they occur, generally don't go anywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by Retric on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:07PM (#27599498)
Yes, despite slavery being horrendous and very common there was basically 1 successful slave revolt in all recorded history Haiti. Gaspar Yagna's Rebellion was arguable as they hid and became independent. Spartacus grew to ~120,000 then failed, Zanj Rebellion came closer and still failed.

This is also why killing all the intellectuals after a successful revolution is so popular.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by kingsuper20 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:33PM (#27599703)
Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by type0 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:28PM (#27598055)
And most of the worlds biggest atrocities has also been done on "the shining path to the better future".
Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by andrepd on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:35PM (#27599261)
So have the world's biggest advances, from the Enlightenment, the Scientific Revolution, or the advent of liberal democracies in the past ~200 years.
Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by raxxorrax on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @06:19AM (#27602809)
This crowd seems to be pretty much against enlightenment values or science or democracy.
Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by thu2111 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @06:24AM (#27602844)
None of those things were really the result of some top down utopian master plan, though. The closest might be the enlightenment if you consider the rewards for book finding granted by wealthy benefactors, but it was fundamentally a backward looking "Revolution" that was based on worship of the ancients.

The "scientific revolution", is not really a well known or unambiguous label, the growth of science being a long term trend. And it's worth observing that a major part of the present day corruption of science with the replication crisis, the junk sociological sciences and so on, are the result of an explicit top down utopian plan by governments to make a better tomorrow by funding academics.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by nine_k on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:39PM (#27598194)
Exactly my reference :(
Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by raxxorrax on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @06:16AM (#27602796)
Some are removed from reality that it might seem like a good idea. I believe them not to be too well informed though and much support stems from the fact that these people don't know what is done under their banner. Bipartisanship in the US heavily influences this too.

Most intellectuals have identified the problem pretty quickly but they also stay mostly silent.

There are also those in high positions without the necessary facilities of course.

Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship by esyir on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:26AM (#27601065)
Or perhaps, they do it because its the ideal weapon and means of control. We've seen that "sociopaths in management studies" bit. Wonder how it'd apply to wokism.