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Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by seaman1921 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:57AM (#27589759)
Here are the per-capita numbers btw : India 1.91 United States 15.52 China 7.38 Australia 17.10

Please stop blaming India and China without much research.

Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by sumedh on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:52AM (#27590084)
> Please stop blaming India and China without much research.

When sea levels rise and poor Indians who live near the sea are affected, is the Indian govt going to help them or will the rich countries need to step in like they did during Covid?

You can talk about per capita all you want but in the end who is going to support the affected Indians?

Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by seaman1921 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:51PM (#27610180)
So your point is that since (you think) rich countries are going to help India, they are allowed to have higher emissions ?

>in the end who is going to support the affected Indians? nobody, but that is besides the point

Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by Smithalicious on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:21AM (#27589895)
Is it fair to extrapolate like that? Does "reasonable" pollution scale linearly with population, or can we expect large countries to be more efficient because of economies of scale?

Genuinely curious

Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by wongarsu on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:09AM (#27590199)
Most things don't have significant economies of scale beyond a fairly small country (maybe the size of England). The 3 biggest polluters are electricity&heat, agriculture and transport.

- Electricity and heat benefit from a bigger electricity network (e.g. to get more reliable solar and wind), but electrical grids don't necessarily follow borders. The US has about 3 grids, continental Europe has a grid spanning 24 countries. (in fact, there's almost no grids that span exactly one country [1])

- Agriculture doesn't hugely benefit from economies of scale beyond the regional level

- Transport benefits mostly from rail networks, which aren't really bound to borders

You can make a case that population density helps (most obvious in the case of transport, but it is really helpful for lots of things), and being an island makes electricity harder. But in the case of Australia, it has to be noted that the negative effect on electricity from being an island is somewhat lessened by their vast area, and the negative effect of low population density on transport emissions is somewhat lessened by most Australians actually living in pretty high density.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wide_area_synchronous_gri...

Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by kergonath on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:42AM (#27590015)
If you compare the US to any European country you’ll see that really is not the case.
Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by KptMarchewa on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:42AM (#27590016)
Does that include fact that Australia is the biggest net exporter of coal, or do the get free pass for that?
Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by fruityrudy on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:55AM (#27590110)
Net exports contribute 3% global CO2 emissions.
Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by KptMarchewa on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:11PM (#27606159)
A lot for country with 0.3% of global population.
Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by randomperson_24 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:03AM (#27589794)
Exactly!
Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by fruityrudy on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:57AM (#27590119)
Unfortunately per capita doesn’t matter regarding effects of climate change. It’s the absolute numbers.

The marginal effect of removing Australia’s emissions is like a rounding error in the climate equation.

Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by La1n on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:01AM (#27590141)
> It’s the absolute numbers.

Yes, for the world, and not per country. Otherwise it'd be "better" for the world if larger countries just split into many smaller ones.

Re:Australia opposes Great Barrier Reef ′in danger′ listing by nicoburns on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:32AM (#27589957)
Some further numbers: EU avg. 7.0 UK 5.3