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Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by lotsofpulp on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:44PM (#27584915)
Very few people possess the knowledge and expertise to judge the actions of pharma companies. Their only option is to demand transparency and trust the vetting at multiple third parties who do have the knowledge and expertise, such as FDA, CDC, WHO, NHS, or other similar organizations.
Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by throwawayboise on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:51PM (#27584994)
All of the third parties you cite have had their own scandals and betrayals of trust over the years.

Sadly I'm left trusting none of them. I rely on my own judgement, which is mostly informed by looking at motivations and past behaviors.

Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by lotsofpulp on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:56PM (#27585048)
Similar to pretty much all other tribes. Of course, it's up to individuals to decide how much weight to give their own judgment versus how much to trust others, but it is an objective truth that one person cannot possibly have enough knowledge to never have to trust someone else.
Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by mumblemumble on Monday June 21, 2021 @06:20PM (#27585288)
I would also argue that, in the long view, some level of scandal is a good thing.

It's simply inconceivable that any organization of that size, that wields that much power, wouldn't attract abuses of power. Which means that failing to ever find any would be suspicious in the extreme. And, for that matter, in an organization of that size and complexity you're also pretty much guaranteed to have some good old-fashioned fuck-ups. Life has a distressing tendency to just happen sometimes. I can't really come up with any plausible scenarios for how an organization like the FDA could consistently avoid public embarrassment that wouldn't involve far worse corruption than any of the scandals they've experienced in my lifetime.

Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by whoisninja on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:49PM (#27584976)
what expertise? having a three letter agencies magically makes them "experts" in vetting science?

what about conflicts of interest? who is the main person heading drug approvals? ex pfizer exec

https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrizia-cavazzoni-2752071b1/?tr...

Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by lotsofpulp on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:52PM (#27585008)
People are not all bad, and not all good, and not the same all the time. You can intensely focus on all the bad and choose to view the world through those lens, but I prefer to look at the good also, and assume that people are not solely without concern for others.
Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by peytn on Monday June 21, 2021 @06:04PM (#27585141)
At this scale it doesn’t really make sense to think in terms of good and bad people, but good and bad cultures. Scandal after scandal is a sign of a bad culture, and steps should be taken to correct it.
Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by lotsofpulp on Monday June 21, 2021 @06:08PM (#27585172)
At this scale, I would expect the inevitability of scandal after scandal. My only hope is the culture gets more and more transparent, and the scandals continue to be exposed.
Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by briefcomment on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:55PM (#27585039)
Ignoring negative outcomes makes you vulnerable to negative black swan events.
Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by lotsofpulp on Monday June 21, 2021 @06:00PM (#27585095)
You should not ignore negative outcomes. And you should not ignore positive outcomes.

Yes, there's lots of money involved in FDA approvals. Yes, there has been and will continue to be corruption. But over my short life, the access to information has gotten better. The knowledge has gotten better. Most medicines have gotten better.

There was the opiate crisis. There was the nutritional pyramid nonsense. There was the ignorance of sugar and erroneous focus on fat. There was also the shingles vaccine, hep C treatments, fixes to the nutritional recommendations and acknowledgement of problems with sugar.

But I do not have a better option. I certainly am not capable of understanding the human machine by myself. My only hope is that multiple organizations consist of multiple people who are mostly good and mostly right most of the time. And that is something, I think, Americans can be proud about with regards to their civilian agencies.

Re:Pfizer to Pay $2.3B for Largest Health Care Fraud Settlem... by nceqs3 on Monday June 21, 2021 @11:32PM (#27587670)
"big pharma" saves hundreds of thousands of people's lives every year and then gets shit on by people who think they understand how the drug business works because some politician sent a mean tweet about a pharma company.