Policies that make the poor less poor

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by dagw on Monday June 21, 2021 @08:59AM (#27578691)

Somebody has to actually create all the stuff that people consume. UBI doesn't address that point. If these employers have to pay more to hire people, then prices will go up.

An alternative is to greatly increase temporary work visas, and make those immigrants exempt from getting UBI as a clause in their immigration visa. Of course this might lead to other issues.

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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by imtringued on Monday June 21, 2021 @09:53AM (#27579177)

Ok, this actually proves why it cannot work. UBI as a unemployment benefit replacement cannot apply to immigrants (to prevent abuse) thus we get a two class system where people pay taxes into the UBI pool but never get anything back.

However, UBI funded by taxes on bad behavior can still work but it would not act as a replacement for unemployment benefits.

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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by dagw on Monday June 21, 2021 @10:12AM (#27579352)

people pay taxes into the UBI pool but never get anything back.

They get to live and work legally in the US and get a salary paid in US dollars. That seems to worth a lot to a lot of people. You are of course right about the very obvious two class system it will create and the long term social consequences of such a system are tricky to predict.

Edit: The US birthright citizenship rules might actually make this harder to implement.

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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by foogazi on Monday June 21, 2021 @10:51AM (#27579719)

> They get to live and work legally in the US and get a salary paid in US dollars.

If this is so good why the need for a UBI for citizens in the first place?

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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by dagw on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:01PM (#27581075)

Because the US should want to provide a better quality of life for its citizens than what those people feeling and risking everything in a desperate attempt to get into the US have in their home countries.

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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by foogazi on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:23PM (#27597400)

The US (it’s just people) already has a higher quality of life for its citizens - that’s why people come here.

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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by wincy on Monday June 21, 2021 @10:59AM (#27579814)

Serious question, but what's wrong with having a two class system? Wouldn't these people be better off living in the US rather than living in whatever country they are assumably leaving for economic opportunity, even if they don't have as many rights as a citizen.

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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by dagw on Monday June 21, 2021 @11:17AM (#27580000)

There doesn't have to be something wrong with it, it's all down to the implementation details. For one, possibly extreme, example of how it could turn out badly, look at countries like Qatar and how they treat their second class workers.

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