Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by Tuna-Fish on Monday June 21, 2021 @06:42AM (#27577931)

No comprehensive account of Norse mythology was ever written down by those who believed in it, or if it was, those records or references to them have not survived to this day. The only accounts we do have are those compiled by Christian monks who were converting the old Norse believers, right at the end of the pagan era.

These accounts are heavily colored by the expectations and the worldview of those monks, and we do not know where the ideas that the Norse actually believed in end and where the ideas of what the monks thought religion is supposed to be begin. For example, much of the popular conception of Ragnarok is heavily influenced by Christian eschatology, instead of the original Norse beliefs. To complicate it even further, the Norse beliefs were in no way static, and as the influence of Christianity spread, the beliefs might have morphed to absorb concepts from Christianity.

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Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by hutzlibu on Monday June 21, 2021 @08:17AM (#27578421)

"For example, much of the popular conception of Ragnarok is heavily influenced by Christian eschatology, instead of the original Norse beliefs. "

In more easy words: christians believe that one day the world really ends with judgment day/apocalypse, and interpreted Ragnarok similar as the end of the world, which is what many people today think of Ragnarok (and that view that gets reinforced by the popular movies)

But Ragnarok is not the end of the world, just the end of a cycle and start of a new beginning. The snake that bites its own tail. Endless cycle of seasons. Really a different philosophy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbT8vzX4sZY

(Einar Selvik from Band Wardruna explains it, before performing a song about it)

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Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 21, 2021 @10:16AM (#27579399)

> christians believe that one day the world really ends with judgment day/apocalypse, and interpreted Ragnarok similar as the end of the world, which is what many people today think of Ragnarok

There is also the interpretation that we live in a post-Ragnarok world, which conveniently allows the Christian narrative to perfectly mate to the end of the Norse gods’ reign.

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Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by ComodoHacker on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:41PM (#27580884)

To be fair, nothing in the New Testament explicitly denies the possibility of repeating the cycle. CMIIW.

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Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by dash2 on Monday June 21, 2021 @02:09PM (#27581889)

Funnily enough, the early Church Father Origen believed that time was circular.

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Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by edoceo on Monday June 21, 2021 @06:19PM (#27585282)

So does Futurama.

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Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by LinuxBender on Monday June 21, 2021 @07:30AM (#27578167)

Jackson Crawford [1] does a decent job of explaining what bits of the mythos we still have. He also explains some of the misconceptions you speak of and even some of the things that movies get right and wrong. Related to some other discussions in this thread, he also pronounces many words for people.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/c/JacksonCrawford/videos

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Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by edgyquant on Monday June 21, 2021 @11:31AM (#27580142)

Maybe but the eddas are 7 and 800 years old respectively, so still older than 600 (and these words almost certainly existed before being written down.)

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Re:Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end e... by koo6 on Monday June 21, 2021 @07:53AM (#27578298)

how do you know all that?

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