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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by failwhaleshark on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:05AM (#27576217)
That's an incidental effect of not providing proper housing. Blaming homeless people for not having somewhere to go is like victim shaming. Giving homeless people homes is cheaper than not.
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by heneryville on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:14AM (#27576264)
As the brother of a homeless person, many do have a place to go, but choose the homeless lifestyle. My brother moved to a big west coast city to be homeless. Cheaper housing there wouldn't have helped him.
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by failwhaleshark on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:20AM (#27576287)
Not everyone chooses to be homeless, so painting all homeless with one brush would be disingenuous.

For example, I know 6 sane, smarter-than-average, old guys who drift around the SF Bay Area mid-Peninsula region who don't drink or do drugs, but are poor and cannot afford housing on their own. 2 have managed to get accommodations, 1 by the COVID lockdown. That's 4 left looking for 24-hour coffee shops, laundromats, bus stops, and diners.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by adkadskhj on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:44AM (#27576385)
But giving all homeless homes isn't the solution either, lest you want crime and drug filled ghettos.

The solution in my mind requires everything, at once. Homes for those who need it. Mental support for those who need it. And enforcement for those who merely want to abuse and corrupt the system.

The homeless problem lumps everyone together into one camp and while they do suffer equally, their reasons are vastly different. There is no single solution, and it certainly will be difficult.

Unfortunately i see the friction involved in _actually_ solving this problem as so great that it will never be done. Though some extreme measures may be taken.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by Zababa on Monday June 21, 2021 @07:54AM (#27578302)
> But giving all homeless homes isn't the solution either, lest you want crime and drug filled ghettos.

Doesn't ghettos implies that they're all in the same place? Maybe having a few everywhere would avoid that problem.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by imtringued on Monday June 21, 2021 @11:01AM (#27579833)
There are bigger problems that won't ever get solved. This small one won't be the first.
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by failwhaleshark on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:25AM (#27576562)
Hate and demonization of homeless people is entirely inappropriate. I suggest you look at yourself before judging people you don't know.
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by adkadskhj on Monday June 21, 2021 @04:59PM (#27584400)
There is no hate at all here. What about what i said makes you think that?

Furthermore, what about being homeless is good? Since all i said is a way to resolve homelessness, in my eyes, yet you perceive that as hate. To me it is hateful to leave those people in this state.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by fastball on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:54AM (#27576423)
You are the one that painted all homeless with one brush when you said:

> That's an incidental effect of not providing proper housing.

There are many causes, it is not only an effect of not providing proper housing, which I think was GC's point.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by shkkmo on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:22AM (#27576294)
But free housing in that west coast city could have reduced the amount he cost that city.
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by failwhaleshark on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:29AM (#27576324)
Yep. It's also important that free housing doesn't turn into concentration camps (defined as collecting people into areas separate from communities) to hide former homeless people. Expanding Section 8 and similar with rapid SRO placement would be an easier solution in the short-term, while there is a need for dedicated/incentivized Section 8 and true affordable housing inventory against the wishes of NIMBYs.
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by ihsw on Monday June 21, 2021 @12:09AM (#27576236)
Unlimited access to housing, medicine, and food does not make you a responsible adult.