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Re:MPs: Octopuses feel pain and need legal protection by f6v on Sunday June 20, 2021 @10:59AM (#27570667)
> We can't decide because we don't have a machine that objectively measures consciousness.

We can say that insects don't have the brain capacity to be conscious. I'm pretty sure we might say the same about many fish species.

Re:MPs: Octopuses feel pain and need legal protection by uh_uh on Sunday June 20, 2021 @11:06AM (#27570743)
I'm quite certain that the current scientific understanding is that we don't know how consciousness works at all. This is exactly the kind of landscape where one might expect big surprises.

Think about how useless our intuitions proved to be when it comes to other phenomena like gravity or electromagnetism. It took a while to (kind of) figure these out despite them being easier to measure than consciousness.

W.r.t. fish: they act in a way you'd expect a creature to act if they felt pain. If they had vocal cords and thus the ability to scream, would you agree that they feel pain? Same applies to insects.