Why should individuals that live for themselves and don't share the same values as you do suffer because of your decisions?

This is an argument against eating octopuses. Why should they suffer because of your decisions?

We could live in a more ethical and sustainable way, we just choose not to

There's a line between exploiting others and caring for yourself. I consider myself example of second. I couldn't care less about rest of people.

> We could live in a more ethical and sustainable way, we just choose not to

I could live without shower and toilet paper, I could live without washing machine or meat. Doesn't mean that I want to.

If you want to live in more ethical and sustainable way — all the power to you. But don't force your moral onto me.

E: morale -> moral

> I couldn't care less about rest of people.

I can clearly see that

> I could live without shower and toilet paper, I could live without washing machine or meat. Doesn't mean that I want to.

Overconsumption isn't having toilet paper or a shower, those are necessities. Drilling in the Arctic for more oil, shark finning, the strive for constant economic growth are examples of overconsumption

Small fix to clarify. I'm not some cynical edgelord, don't misunderstand, I probably care a fair bit more about other people than your average person. But when it comes to situation where I have to give up something that I don't consider morally absurd, well then we have a problem.

> Overconsumption isn't having toilet paper or a shower, those are necessities. Drilling in the Arctic for more oil, shark finning, the strive for constant economic growth are examples of overconsumption

Sure. But we're discussing food here. I don't see why me, an average Joe, has to discard of the only joys of my life because someone thinks that it is morally correctly to switch to artificial meat.

Plenty of people don't have those, and survive just fine

Bacteria will form on your skin and can lead to infection. Maybe that's the answer to population growth, never shower or excercise good hygiene measures therefore increasing mortality rates.

We don't need to clean our teeth either right? We can lower food consumption through that too.

Very, very strange replies.

I mean, I'm probably just as capable as you of making "decisions based on morality and ethics" as you are, but I don't think it's immoral to eat meat. So clearly there are different interpretations of "morality" (duh). But your comment seems to assume that no, there's just one morality: eating meat is immoral. Why?

Eating meat is not wrong, overconsumption is wrong, wasting resources is wrong. The question of morality is, is it right to over consume the planet to the point we extinguish other species, or even our own? Are we comfortable that future generations look back on us as selfish and greedy for what we did, or didn't do?

I am not vegetarian, pardon the pun but that's maybe what your beef is about

Again, I''m confused by the very, very strange replies.

So now I'm very confused. Why did you decide never to eat calamari again? What does your decision have to do with a film about an octopus? What does any of that have to do with over-consumption?

You made your comment very confusing so I was confused. Thanks for clarifying, but it's still very confusing so don't go accusing me of having any "beef" with anyone. Just make sure your comments are easier to understand.

No it really wasn't confusing. Perhaps English isn't your native language, nowhere did I mention meat, unless you define a mollusc as meat (some vegetarians do choose not to eat them). I think you just wanted an argument on the internet which you'll find I don't do

Also, you are very impolite.