Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance
by staticassertion on Saturday June 19, 2021 @05:58PM
(#27564863)
I don't know but I can't imagine a highly predictable branch being slower than a TLB flush.
Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance
by dijit on Saturday June 19, 2021 @06:15PM
(#27564986)
Well consider the fact that checking a table of “ok” programs is a branch and a lookup in of itself.
Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance
by carl_dr on Saturday June 19, 2021 @07:13PM
(#27565410)
It would be a branch, but surely it would be a flag on the process struct set when the process started, rather than a lookup each time.
Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance
by staticassertion on Saturday June 19, 2021 @06:24PM
(#27565054)
Yeah that should be really fast, still. Programs could also opt to just tell the OS "hey don't check this system call from me", on each system call, avoiding any lookup.
The impact of TLB flushing, not just the cost of the flush, is really significant - it's going to take a lot of work to be as expensive within the syscall path.
Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance
by saati on Sunday June 20, 2021 @05:12AM
(#27568384)
What would stop malware telling the os to not check it?
Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance
by binarybanana on Sunday June 20, 2021 @11:30AM
(#27570985)
Nothing, but that only makes reading the malware's memory possible with these exploits. That malware won't be able to access memory of some other process, if that other process is using those flags itself.
Edit: For that to work that flag would have to work on the context switch level. So every time you switch away from a sensitive process, flush all buffers and whatever else, then switch. This also requires the kernel itself to enable mitigations as necessary when it touches encryption keys before switching back to user space.
Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance
by staticassertion on Sunday June 20, 2021 @05:10PM
(#27573939)
That assumes that the malware can already have arbitrary control over system calls, at which point spectre isn't the issue.
Considering that you have:
A) some list of allowed applications/programs
B) a run of this check on every syscall
C) to be faster than a TLB flush