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Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by Ericson2314 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @03:39PM (#27563716)
Huh? Yes federal debt doesn't matter but that's why they are similar—they are both shifting power to capital away from labor.

The fact that governments try to do Keynesian by making manufacturing jobs in 2021 kills me. We're decades past the point where those sectors were sufficiently unproductive to benefit the workers as they did in the glory days. Boost demand directly (UBI), keep an ey on imports, and let private capital fend for itself.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by zdragnar on Saturday June 19, 2021 @06:35PM (#27565139)
> they are both shifting power to capital away from labor

This doesn't make sense to me. There wouldn't be labor to empower if the tax credit was one of the factors that determined whether the plant would be opened here or not.

Zero-sum would imply that, were the tax credits not handed out, the revenue would instead go to some other program- except that in this scenario, there is no revenue without it.

Sure, we could get into a trade war with the rest of the world by taxing or banning imports, but that would definitely leave everyone worse off.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by Ericson2314 on Sunday June 20, 2021 @09:22AM (#27569691)
> There wouldn't be labor to empower if the tax credit was one of the factors that determined whether the plant would be opened here or not.

Think owners vs non-owners. The non-owners don't cease to exist if they are unemployed (or underemployed). We live in a world with massive material surplus, so the idea that we can't afford these people's basic needs without the plant is just wrong.

From that perspective, if the government is propping up businesses without propping up a weak labor market (either by more demand or fewer working hours), it's perpetuating system where employers have too much leverage.

> Zero-sum...

Right now the US federal government is uniquely capable of running deficits. I'm not worried but zero-sum in that sense.

> Sure, we could get into a trade war with the rest of the world by taxing or banning imports, but that would definitely leave everyone worse off.

Yeah I don't want trade war, I want race to the top. Higher wages, fewer working hours, etc.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by Ericson2314 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @03:41PM (#27563734)
Really the US should pay for UBI in Germany, south Korea, etc. to boost export prices there so it's a race to the top.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by imtringued on Sunday June 20, 2021 @02:22AM (#27567639)
This would require an international clearing union.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by Ericson2314 on Sunday June 20, 2021 @09:23AM (#27569694)
How so?