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Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by wolverine876 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @03:14PM (#27563479)
> But mostly I simply support directed, sustained investment in ourselves and our future.

But who chooses the investment? While I'm not anti-tax, I generally think the aggregated intelligence of the free market makes the best decisions, in most cases.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by sidlls on Saturday June 19, 2021 @08:02PM (#27565735)
Best for whom? Based on what evidence? Every time I see "free market" honestly I roll my eyes a little. There really aren't any truly free markets in the first place; in the second, the more free, the generally less efficient for anything except moving wealth from those that have little of it to those that have much.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by imtringued on Sunday June 20, 2021 @01:43AM (#27567457)
I agree. As long as paradoxes of competition exist the free market is just that, an ideal.

There are a lot of scenarios where selfish behavior is rational for the individual but only permissible for a minority but if literally everyone does the selfish behavior everyone loses more than if they had done nothing.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by specialist on Saturday June 19, 2021 @08:16PM (#27565814)
Agreed. Markets are open, gray, black, private, or closed. "Free market" is just very successful agitprop.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by specialist on Saturday June 19, 2021 @03:40PM (#27563727)
Try everything. Why not? Just like science, progress requires a lot of failures.

Throwing good money after bad makes me grumpy. So we need feedback loops, post mortems, etc.

Currently, every bit of legislation requires a fiscal note. Expected costs, projected impact, ROI, etc.

We'd all benefit if society worked harder to do the obvious followup steps.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by wolverine876 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @07:02PM (#27565332)
> Try everything. Why not?

Because it consumes resources that are needed elsewhere, such as for healthcare, education, etc. Because it centralizes power in politicians and in large corporations. Because it's not freedom.

> we need feedback loops, post mortems, etc.

Agreed, but let's not expect people to suddenly start doing those things.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by mkr-hn on Saturday June 19, 2021 @06:34PM (#27565134)
It seems like the free market created the problem we're trying to solve here.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by wolverine876 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @07:05PM (#27565352)
What does that mean? The free market is all wrong and every alternative is correct? Much of what we have, especially in the computer industry, is due to the free market.

What garage startup will succeed if money is distributed by the fiat of powerful rather than by a merit-based market (and yes, we can improve the meritocracy).

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by mkr-hn on Saturday June 19, 2021 @07:12PM (#27565398)
I really have no idea how this follows from my comment.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by wolverine876 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @07:19PM (#27565457)
I was guessing at what you meant, as I thought my first sentence conveyed. More clearly: I don't know what you are trying to say. :)
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by throwaway316943 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @06:05PM (#27564914)
The government should also invest its capital in the projects that it believes will benefit the country. The people should have a say in the matter, they’re technically the investors after all.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by cameronh90 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @07:45PM (#27565626)
The free market makes the best decisions for the global economy, but not necessarily the United States.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by wolverine876 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @11:29PM (#27566852)
Why do you say that?

No single approach results in the 'best' decisions, and I'm not sure what the "global economy" and the "United States' represents in this case - both are very large collections of various people and interests.

The U.S. does have a very strong emphasis on freedom, you know, and has done very well with the free market and free trade - no country, in aggregate, has gotten richer following any system in the history of the world. Truly.

I'm open to improvements that distribute benefits better, but what do you suggest would work better?

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by vkou on Sunday June 20, 2021 @02:50AM (#27567765)
It makes the best immediate decisions for immediate participants in it, which does not guarantee arrival at a global, or even local maximum.
Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by imtringued on Sunday June 20, 2021 @01:38AM (#27567428)
There is no such mechanism. When nations run out of profitable investments they prefer the safety of worthless money than the insecurity of the real world. There is no force in capitalism that forces investment.

If there was we could have avoided WW2 and a lot of other wars.