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Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance by SkyMarshal on Saturday June 19, 2021 @02:36PM (#27563099)
I disagree. I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, I've been doing exactly this for years, I can't remember how long. It works fine.

>you'll eventually get into the habit of blindly enabling scripts when a site breaks, negating any security benefits.

The key here is that when you're deciding whether to whitelist a JS import, and you don't know what it is and don't want to take the time to look it up, then whitelist it temporarily not permanently. It will be moved back to the blacklist the next time you restart the browser.

Only permanently whitelist JS that you know for sure isn't a tracker or malware or sketchy.

Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance by msbarnett on Saturday June 19, 2021 @04:12PM (#27564002)
> Only permanently whitelist JS that you know for sure isn't a tracker or malware or sketchy.

What’s the whitelist based on? URI? Or file content hash? Because today’s “criticalsitefunctunality.js” is tomorrow’s “upstream got p0wned and there’s a Bitcoin miner in there too now”.

Sites churn so often that “permanently” whitelisting hashes is probably a never ending chore, and you’re unlikely to want to constantly re-inspect minimized JS, so this eventually turns into semi-blind faith.

And permanently whitelisting URIs is pure security theatre; that file could contain anything, next request.

Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance by SkyMarshal on Saturday June 19, 2021 @04:56PM (#27564401)
I'm aware of all that, but it's not theater, it's just part of a defense in depth strategy. Reduces attack surface area, doesn't eliminate it, while maintaining usability of the web.

If you have a better approach that accomplishes both of those objectives, do tell.

Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance by gruez on Saturday June 19, 2021 @05:08PM (#27564489)
I'm sure it adds some amount of security. I'm just skeptical it adds enough security to be worth the hassle. I discussed the threat model here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27564457 and came to the conclusion that it wouldn't prevent much attacks in practice.
Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance by msbarnett on Saturday June 19, 2021 @05:20PM (#27564562)
> If you have a better approach that accomplishes both of those objectives, do tell.

Use a browser that isolates the JS engine in its own process and leave spectre mitigations enabled rather than try to play kid-plugging-holes-in-dike-with-finger by auditing all the world’s constantly-changing JS for spectre/meltdown gadgets?

Re:Spectre mitigations murder userspace performance by SkyMarshal on Saturday June 19, 2021 @05:41PM (#27564712)
>Use a browser that isolates the JS engine in its own process

Definitely. All for that.

>and leave spectre mitigations enabled

I do that anyway. The performance cost is unnoticeable to my normal workloads.

>rather than try to play kid-plugging-holes-in-dike-with-finger by auditing all the world’s constantly-changing JS for spectre/meltdown gadgets?

I'll continue doing this too, largely because I want to see what's going on behind the scenes on all the websites I visit. Useful for me to see it all, especially as it changes over time as you observe.

That said, Easylist and Privacylist are also great if you'd rather crowd-source the finger-in-dike-hole-plugging.