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Re:Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess by dkjaudyeqooe on Saturday June 19, 2021 @09:06AM (#27560135)
It's fairly common because it's commonly true; people don't like the changes for good reasons. Actual innovations in design are fine, but too often changes to user interfaces are arbitrary or are a response to the latest fad or some bright idea marketing or management cooked up.

There is a strong argument for user interface stability. People don't just learn user interfaces, they seep into people's unconscious and muscle memory. It can take a while to learn the idiosyncrasies of a user interface and making changes should have a string justification.

It should be noted that people who are paid to design user interfaces are not paid to use them. Their incentives are to create and tinker. This is a disincentive to do what is often needed: nothing or very slow change.

Re:Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess by irrational on Saturday June 19, 2021 @12:23PM (#27561842)
This. I work on a website where a new ui was rolled out every 2 years? Why? We (the developers) finally figured out it was because it gave the business people work to do that was more interesting than what they were really supposed to be doing. They got to go to all these catered meetings with 3rd party design consultants. They got to report to their higher ups that they were doing all this very important work. And every 2 years they could roll out the new ui to great fanfare while patting each other on the backs. It had absolutely nothing to do with improving the experience for our customers.

The worst part was, often functionality that was well loved was scraped because there wasn’t time to work it into this redesign. It turned out they would do that on purpose so people would complain so they could go to their higher ups with complaints in hand to justify budget money for a new round of ui design work. Rinse repeat.

Re:Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess by andrei_says_ on Saturday June 19, 2021 @01:40PM (#27562526)
> We (the developers) finally figured out it was because it gave the business people work to do that was more interesting than what they were really supposed to be doing.

Did you get them to confirm this hypothesis? Or did you just figure it out by deduction and projection?

This is an honest question. I work on both sides - dev and design, and so am privy of the driving forces behind the projects.

Sometimes they could include personal agendas but are almost never limited to those.

And I have had cases where I had to ask questions in confidence to uncover the political forces.

Have you had the opportunity to ask such questions and confirm your suspicions?

Re:Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess by irrational on Saturday June 19, 2021 @08:26PM (#27565863)
There came a time where the site was moved to a different department. We, the dev team, went along with the site. Before we left we asked the business person we got along with best about our suspicions and she confirmed every one of them.
Re:Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess by andrei_says_ on Sunday June 20, 2021 @12:49AM (#27567166)
Thank you. This sucks.
Re:Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess by oivey on Saturday June 19, 2021 @12:22PM (#27561830)
I think the role of the aesthetic of a product is a bit under appreciated. If Safari was exactly as functional but still looked like Netscape navigator, it would negatively impact people’s opinion of the browser.

It’s just like the idea that you first eat with your eyes. For example, eggs with yellow yolks and orange yolks taste the same in blinded tests, but when people can see the eggs they usually go for the orange ones. Periodic UI design updates are needed so that people don’t associate a dated GUI with a dated product.