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Re:Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men by krapp on Friday June 18, 2021 @09:30AM (#27550068)
>I think this is a consequence of there being a female-focussed feminist movement, but not an equivalent movement focussed around male empowerment.

There is an equivalent movement for males. Unfortunately it's been entirely co-opted by red-pillers and incels, and rejects feminism and its arguments categorically.

Re:Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men by nicoburns on Friday June 18, 2021 @09:34AM (#27550101)
Yes. I guess I don't really consider those an equivalent, but something else entirely. While feminism is all about self-reflection and questioning traditional narratives, these movements seem to be mostly about doubling down on them.
Re:Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men by krapp on Friday June 18, 2021 @09:46AM (#27550232)
They're not equivalent, but there is no equivalent movement among males of any significance that I'm aware of.

edit: I just realized between those comments I said the modern men' rights movement is both equivalent and not equivalent to modern feminism. What I mean is, they're equivalent in the way apples and oranges are both equivalent as fruits. They fill the same roles but are otherwise entirely different.

And it's ironic, because the mens' rights movement coined the term "toxic masculinity," and it has its roots in traditional masculine/chivalrous ideals and teachings, but now modern MRAs consider it to be nothing but a slur. It's like masculine culture becomes more defensive the further feminism encroaches into its traditional domain.

Re:Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men by nicoburns on Friday June 18, 2021 @10:03AM (#27550430)
> there is no equivalent movement among males of any significance that I'm aware of

Indeed. That was very much my original point. I've thought about trying to start one. But the prospect is rather daunting considering that unless done very carefully, it could well end of offending both feminists and MRAs. Which could lead to some... interesting experiences.

Re:Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men by koschei on Friday June 18, 2021 @05:31PM (#27555259)
I do consider them equivalent. contemporary feminism, mainstream feminism. The feminism that gets to dictate laws or is paraded by corporations is as man hating as incels are of women. the only difference is that hating men is palatable(or at least degrees of magnitude easier to brush aside and forgive) for society.
Re:Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men by username90 on Friday June 18, 2021 @11:20AM (#27551281)
The male movements certainly questions traditional narratives such as "men should die for the sake of society" or "men should do all the dangerous work and provide for women" or "men are dangerous and needs to be punished to behave" or "men aren't allowed to have feelings" etc.

Note that feminists mostly encourage many of those traditional gender roles, which is why male movements needs to go against feminism. For example when men opens up about problems women screams out about all the "emotional labour" they now have to do, they don't want men to open up they just say they do to look good and those women are the main reason men actually aren't opening up.

However, one thing here, many male movements has given up on actually fixing the problem and instead focusing on what the individual can do. So instead of trying to fix women, they just accept that women will never see them as humans and work around that. Which is why you get MGTOW, the incels, the dating players etc.

Edit: Also note where we put the blame here. When women creates groups encouraging each other to lose weight and become anorectic, do we blame that group? No, somehow we blame men who wants women to not be fat. However when men creates groups trying to adapt to the insane ideals women puts on them we call it toxic masculinity and blame men anyway.