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Re:HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national sec... by baybal2 on Friday June 18, 2021 @04:20AM (#27548431)
> These guys all pushed the situation towards a point of no return for the communists, which could have been instead worked around.

It couldn't have been worked around. It doesn't work this way. There is no other way, in 2048, or in 2022, no other way around. That's the goal of Beijing. Tell us if it's something else.

On other hand, if HK turns into mini-Syria, it would've mobilised way more people, even the most inert, and apolitical.

For Beijing, it will also be a guaranteed loss both ways then. They lose 2048, and HK on the platter as it is, with its access to world financial markets. I believe only a scare of this kind have a chance to make Beijing to back off.

Third, HK is the seat of Western money in Asia. If the bank where their money is will literally burn to the ground, at least then they would've not pretend that nothing happens.

Some times, a solution to violence, is bigger violence.

Re:HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national sec... by xwolfi on Friday June 18, 2021 @04:58AM (#27548586)
Well the goal of Beijing is for the party to survive, there are many solutions between murdering us all and let HK become a country.

I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ? I propose to work around the party, like Macau, sing the anthem from time to time and basta, the problem can only be fixed by China as a whole, not at our level.

Beijing cannot "back off" more violence, they can only double down. Put yourself in their shoe: if they're a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, that committed too many crimes to welcome honest competition, how can a HK citizen think that burning a local metro station will make them "oh right, freedom is too important for HK, we should maybe even copy them".

Before immediately jumping to desperate violence, maybe we can try to bribe them. Which is what we did before, and what we now do albeit with a bit more cost to re-assure that yes yes we're good patriots until the dragon goes back to sleep...

I prefer to discuss about things in a less free Hong Kong than starve and steal in a mini Syria but you're welcome to solve problems that way where you live :D

Re:HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national sec... by baybal2 on Friday June 18, 2021 @05:18AM (#27548683)
> if they're a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, that committed too many crimes to welcome honest competition,

If you back down to a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, you support the mafia, and you become a man without honour.

Such people never returned a punch to the face, and never prevailed.

> I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ?

For the amount of money an average HK billionaire has, you can buy enough arms from Bulgaria, or Balkans to arm the whole HK population 10 times over.

Re:HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national sec... by petre on Friday June 18, 2021 @12:40PM (#27552211)
Since when is Bulgaria and the Balkans a military industrial complex? I thought the Bulgarians made tomatoes and peppers and the Serbs made slibovitz and plum jam. Both countries are homes to great food. North Macedonia too.
Re:HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national sec... by baybal2 on Friday June 18, 2021 @03:21PM (#27553866)
Guessing by your name, you are a local? South-East Europe is a huge producer, and trade centre for small arms, sometimes to the big surprise of their own citizens.

While small arms are peanuts in comparison to jet fighters, and missiles by value on the world's arms market, they are still there, and Balkan makers have good prices, and collaborative governments.

Re:HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national sec... by petre on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:20AM (#27590734)
This article[1] sheds some light on small arms proliferation. Bulgaria and Serbia aren't even mentioned. While there are still lots of unlicensed rifles in the West Balkans[2], the bulk of small arms still comes from the US, Russia, China and Western European states. They're sold to dictators or given to rebel groups in conflict areas. The former are then stolen, smuggled and resold to rebel groups and civillians.

  1. https://social.shorthand.com/ymuntaiwan/ug53Pq2PhT/disec-i-proliferation-of-small-arms-and-light-weaponry
  2. http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/G-Issue-briefs/SAS-AV-IB4-Western-Balkans.pdf
Re:HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national sec... by robjan on Friday June 18, 2021 @06:55AM (#27549160)
The average HK billionaire is rich because of China. They aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.