Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by lumost on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:29PM
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When mortgages are expensive, down payments buy more. Except in the short-term it appears that falling interest rates simply raises the nominal price of housing until it reaches the buyers ability to pay the monthly price + down payment.
Increasing interest rates erodes buyers ability to borrow, which will require prices to fall.
Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by errantmind on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:29PM
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True, but higher housing prices also impede people who save their money instead of taking on 30 year debt. I would definitely prefer higher interest rates and cheaper housing for that reason.
Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by lumost on Thursday June 17, 2021 @09:13AM
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agreed, at the margin there are buyers with a virtually unlimited ability to borrow. If interest rates stay low for long enough I'd expect the majority of housing to be owned by hedge funds and investment banks.
Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by laurencerowe on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:17PM
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It’s not that complicated really. House prices tend towards the level where a mortgage payment roughly equals a rent payment (since they’re substitutable). So when mortgage rates go down house prices go up commensurately.
Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by slg on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:25PM
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>House prices tend towards the level where a mortgage payment roughly equals a rent payment (since they’re substitutable).
No these two are not direct financial substitutions. You are ignoring a down payment (or mortgage insurance), property taxes, maintenance, and the general risk that comes with home ownership. Monthly mortgage payments should be a decent amount cheaper then rent payments on an equivalent property.
Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by laurencerowe on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:47PM
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Definitely worth properly modelling out both buy and rent scenarios including all related costs, the substantial tax benefits of the mortgage interest deduction, remembering you are paying down principal in the mortgage payment, and the opportunity cost of the down payment. But when I've done this the cutover point is usually fairly close to where mortgage payment = rent.
The other thing that's notable when you model the scenarios is how much of a difference it makes how long you stay in a house given the absurdly high transaction costs of selling in a house in the US. 5% realtor fees! $50k on an SF condo, $75-100k on an SF house.
Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by sgent on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:43PM
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Renters are paying all the same things you are, and are usually paying through the rent much higher taxes and mortgage interest. The only difference is they don't have variability in expenses (AC goes out) -- but neither does a large landlord.
Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by xapata on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @07:56PM
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Maybe not the first few years. Rent payments inflate and mortgage payments don't.
Re:Federal Reserve Now Projects Rate Increases in 2023 as Ec...
by organsnyder on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:15PM
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When buying power goes down, prices have to go down to compensate.
Housing prices are kept in check when it is expensive to buy housing? This isn't necessarily false, but it is an obvious contradiction that highlights how complicated these issues end up being in reality.